@Riot, why does Xin Zhao even have Mana?

xxxDogmanxxx··12 votes·1,351 views

No, seriously, think about it. This has always confused me...

Xin Zhao's Q: He stabs people with his spear, harder. On the third attack, he knocks his target into the air with the butt of his spear. Xin Zhao's W: He stabs people with his spear, faster. On the third attack, he knocks his target over the head with his spear. Xin Zhao's E: He jumps at people and stabs them with his spear. People he stabs with his spear slow down (possibly because they just got stabbed with a spear). Xin Zhao's R: He swings his spear and people close by get knocked back and stunned.

None of those actions particularly seem like they use magical energy. So why does Xin Zhao need mana in the first place?

Meanwhile, we've got manaless humans like Riven who sends big green energy blasts from her magical sword, Garen who summons a giant light sword from the sky, Katarina who regularly teleports all over the place, Tryndamere who somehow becomes immortal every one and a half minutes, etc.

Like, wtf... I mean, even if I could accept that Xin Zhao somehow needs mana lore-wise (his lore has nothing to indicate that this is the case), it still doesn't make sense in-game. Both for the nature of his skills or even their cost. Xin Zhao doesn't even have mana problems beyond maybe the first jungle clear!

Xin Zhao having mana just plain doesn't make sense to me. Why not just make him a manaless champion?

26 Comments

God Raijin5 votes

I feel like the only reason Game-play wise for Xin having Mana costs was removed, Back in season 3 Riot said that Xin was basically Permanently sticking to targets Because of his E. BUT, his E cooldown was 9 seconds at max rank back then, now it is 12 at all ranks. So back then, the mana costs on his E were a "gate" to stop his perma-stick, But now that the E cooldown is 33% longer than it used to be, having mana costs doesn't really make much sense when there are champions like riven running around.

Manwich Tuesday3 votes

Upvoted, not because I want Xin to lose mana, but because every other champ you mentioned here should have it.

AHarmlessTaco2 votes

Uhm. Not that I really disagree, but if you are going to name a champion that thematically shouldn't use mana, lemme list a few others:

Corki carries bombs and has a helicopter Ziggs carries bombs and becomes a helicopter on death Darius swings an axe, no magic sword Draven throws an axe, no magic sword Caitlyn shoots everything from guns Graves shoots everything from guns Jhin shoots everything from guns Jinx shoots everything from guns MissFortune shoots everything from guns

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

All true, except for Draven. He hurls axes across the map and they magically come back to him.

AHarmlessTaco2 votes

long string, think: spinning yoyo

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

lol xD

A Basic Island1 votes

aren't they boomerang axes?

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

Boomerangs don't come back if you hit stuff with them...

bad arcade kitty2 votes

riven is a girl, she sells more skins to thirsty guys so she is supposed to be stronger than xin

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

True.

A Doorknob1 votes

Corki Darius Fiora Olaf Quinn Tristana Udyr Vayne Vi Zyra Teemo Orianna

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

A lot of your examples are way off. Fiora summons a giant healing flower on the ground, Udyr punches fire, Vayne regularly turns invisible, Zyra is a walking plant that controls other plants, Orianna is a psychic robot.

TequilaZombie1 votes

Olaf Has 2 axes. Throws one. Still has 2 axes. Quinn Can make you blind by throwing a bird at you. Teemo He carries more than three times his body volume in shrooms, and yet we see none. Also turns invisible.

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

To be fair:

Olaf may have a third axe strapped to his waist. And if Quinn's falcon slammed into my eyes, I'm more than likely gonna be blinded too.

I'm not counting Teemo because 1.) He's a talking magical hamster 2.) It could be that his invisibility is just advanced camouflage or something.

Oglaf2 votes

{quoted}

Quinn Can make you blind by throwing a bird at you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lLruVR2zQ

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

xD

The Deckowner1 votes

Mana is a gameplay element used to balance certain kits, it does not interact with a champion's thematic element.

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

If they wanted to balance/gate Xin Zhao's kit, why not give him Energy instead like the ninjas or Lee Sin?

Miraweave1 votes

{quoted}

If they wanted to balance/gate Xin Zhao's kit, why not give him Energy instead like the ninjas or Lee Sin?

Obviously because they don't his kit to be built around a small pool of a resource that regenerates quickly.

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

As opposed to a large pool with more than enough mana to do his entire rotation four times over?

5050BS1 votes

Sorry he has to ether build mana or be smart about his use.

Udyr Has no mana cost AT ALL

xxxDogmanxxx2 votes

What? Yes he does.

Oglaf1 votes

Mana is supposed to be a balancing gameplay factor, not a thematic one.

Ralanr1 votes

Why does Alistar do magic damage when all he's doing is hitting you so hard that it sends you flying?

I don't think I want someone with as reliable a gap closer as Xin to have energy.

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

1.) Alistar is a talking bipedal magical cow. 2.) He heals allies and himself with magic, hence his need for mana 3.) I agree though, indeed why do his skills do magic damage?

HectonD1 votes

LOL Logic

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