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Yasuo gets a free pass for his mistakes every few seconds...

xxxDogmanxxx··141 votes·8,815 views

A lot of people on the boards want Yasuo to be nerfed, but I think they want him nerfed for all the wrong reasons. They get dumpstered by him, or see his high damage and his windwall and cry "UNFAIR."

To make it clear, I have almost never been dumpstered by a Yasuo. I mostly play bruisers and tanks, who have easier times with Yasuo than squishier champions. I don't find his damage oppressive at all, and I don't care about his windwall.

With that said, I think he still needs a nerf. I think the nerf he needs is to his bullshit shield. No, not his windwall or his damage, his shield.

Here we have one of, if not the most mobile champion in all of League of Legends. He has one of the most overloaded skillsets in the entire game. Thanks to his passive armor penetration, passive double crit chance, and extremely low cooldowns, he also has some of the highest damage output in the entire game. And he has a skill that essentially negates hundreds of other skills by virtue of them being projectiles.

That's fine. It takes a relatively higher amount of skill to use him than other champions, I'm completely alright with that trade off.

What I'm not fine with is how YOU CAN'T PUNISH HIS MISTAKES as much because he has that damn shield. Any other champion could walk right into a skill shot or auto-attack and get his health bar chunked. But not Yasuo, oh no. He gets to walk around as if nothing happened and three seconds later, he's completely dandy again because his shield is back up.

At level 18, Yasuo's shield gives him 510 extra health every few seconds completely free. On someone with Yasuo's damage and mobility, how the fuck is it fair that he gets to be tanky as well?

Nerf his goddamn shield, Riot.

322 Comments

Zelorxon82 votes

https://67.media.tumblr.com/fba11405cb6ef85d70e9cb041bdbb216/tumblr_n6sbl3K5lM1sdk5d7o1_500.gif

Spaceman5pff5 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxtDg1tCgZk

Junkο26 votes

And then Windwall came down and Yasuo died instantly.

rtbf2256182418 votes

He also has his passive up. If he hits his Q again and a tornado then he may kill her with the ultimate passive reset.

GULAG 4 U5 votes

very unlikely. He had no stacks of nado because he just missed a Q, so he would instantly die.

rtbf2256182411 votes

How do you know he already didn't have 1 stack? Also, he could hit once more before the wall goes away because of the cooldown and then hit her.

GULAG 4 U4 votes

Looking at the clip, yasuo already missed one Q so he would need 2 more Qs in order to have his tornado up. Also he missed one Q because of how far away he was, so very unlikely he would manage to hit another one unless vayne is boosted af. (doesn't kite)

Saianna49 votes

Played against Yasuo as a Mage. Windwall. Played against Yasuo as an ADC. Windwall. Played against Yasuo as a Tank. Free armor penetration + 100% crits. Played against Yasuo as bruiser jungler. Free armor penetration + 100% crits. Played against Yasuo as an assassin. 100% crits + shield

I know Yasuo has some weaknesses, but.. Seriously, you could share all of his passives and abilities for 3 champions and you'd still have some leftovers

Second thing. His Windwall is ultimate tier ability. It doesn;t block just AA. Or just skillshots.

It blocks everything, which means for 3s almost half of champs are useless.

Not fun.

koreansmurf87514 votes

As a Yasuo main Msges are generally a skill match up Nice autos vayne. NERD I mean I guess it takes longer than usual Oh cool time to try that 2v1 outplay trick Aaaaaand there goes my health bar

My point is, yes he's frustrating to play against I know that. For the Yasuo to be a threat he has to build so offensively that ppl can blow him up if he gets cc'd In my opinion I honestly feel like they should make his wall 1.5 -2 seconds scaling with level in the ability. And maybe have a fixed moderate size instead of level one wtf is this to lvl 18 wow, I can cover their whole team

JQKAndrei2 votes

Just so you know, nobody read anything after your first sentence, serious arguments can be made only by those who played said champ but since the haters aren't in that category they just whine.

Dextix LT2 votes

They have, they just disagree, and those who play their champions also carry an inherent bias. Seeing an overloaded champ as overloaded is not whining, it is simply stating a fact.

Sraeg20136 votes

Played against Yasuo as a Mage.

And won.

Played against Yasuo as an ADC.

And won.

Played against Yasuo as a Tank.

Warlord keystone too strong. Otherwise won.

Played against Yasuo as bruiser jungler.

Dunno. I don't play jungle.

Played against Yasuo as an assassin.

Depends on the assassin. Pretty much every AP one (except post-AU LeBlanc) dumpster him. Most primary AD ones however lose against him. On the other hand most secondary AD ones win.

Dextix LT11 votes

Oh wow, you won, congratulations, that proves exactly nothing. Even the pre-nerf 98% kassawin did not have a 100% winrate. Playing against bad yasuos does not show that he is weak. The problem is, that THAT is his one weakness, the skill of a player, that is all.

For you to outplay yasuo, he has to outplay himself, which is bad champion design.

Narasimha5 votes

Eh, not really. Hyperbole aside, enough champs do well against him. Off the top of my head,

Mid lane Annie Diana Kayle Malzahar Velkoz

Top lane Darius Fiora Garen Irelia Malphite Rumble Vladimir

Troll for Trump4 votes

So you're forced to pick out of meta picks just because it's Yasuo? Don't have to do it for other champs.

Yas is oppressive all stages of the game. Any lategame hypercarry should never be allowed to have any bully potential ever(Vayne, Twitch, etc.)

Darius and Fio don't counter him. It's a skill matchup, and Yasuo gets to decide the pace of it. Even if you're a god at Darius ir Fiora, Yas can always "outplay" you by spamming E.

AninLegions7774 votes

I don't get it. So you should always pick meta? Fucking dumb mindset coming from you.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

Most of the picks aren't off meta neither.

FantasySniper10 votes

"Enough", he says.

And then he begins to list cancer champions as if all is well.

All is not well.

Muddafragot29 votes

It blocks everything...

http://i.imgur.com/MNs1zCf.jpg

Dessem11 votes

What the fuck is that abomination?

I WANT IT

TotalJerk3 votes

Free armor penetration

That's such a fucking bullshit exaggeration, lol. He has to ult you, it isn't "free". God, the scrub mentality of MOBA players can be so annoying.

Dextix LT5 votes

Because it is sooooooo hard for yasuo to use his ultimate with it's high cd and harrd set=up (sarcasm overload).

Sraeg201333 votes

Three seconds later, he's completely dandy again because his shield is back up.

Let's assume Yasuo is continuously moving and treat his shield as if it had a standard cooldown.

It's 17 seconds "cooldown" levels 1-6. It's 15 seconds "cooldown" levels 7-12. It's 13 seconds "cooldown" levels 13+. First tier of boots decreases the "cooldown" by 1 second. Second tier of boots decreases the "cooldown" further by 0.8 seconds. Boots of Swiftness decrease it by 1.2 seconds instead. Sweeping Dash decreases the whole "cooldown" by 8% levels 1-6, that's 12.5 dashes. Sweeping Dash decreases the whole "cooldown" by 9% levels 7-12, that's 11.1 dashes. Sweeping Dash decreases the whole "cooldown" by 10% levels 13+, that's 10 dashes. Estimated travel time of Sweeping Dash is about 0.5 seconds +/- whatever is the ratio from bonus movement speed.

So at level 13+, with second tier boots, in one wave of 6 minions, at the price of having literally zero mobility afterwards, the cooldown is:

7.8 seconds

PS. Yes, I'm that guy.

Blades in Exile2 votes

Got to love the math

Sraeg201310 votes

http://media.fakeposters.com/results/2013/01/13/fz8wpbe21a.jpg

IPinPC11 votes

"Here we have one of, if not the most mobile champion in all of League of Legends." -He is the only champion who can catch my speeded Zilean. He is the main champ I fear as Zilean player. I don't know another champ who would have so many utilities and to be one of the fastest champs (sweeping blade ability).

Viktorious Sayph14 votes

https://s18.postimg.org/c3z9s440p/lol.jpg

It still haunts my dreams

######I know my photoshop skills are perfect

Critmaster Garen11 votes

{quoted}

"Here we have one of, if not the most mobile champion in all of League of Legends." -He is the only champion who can catch my speeded Zilean.

maybe dont run through your own minions, so he can ride the wave?

if were just talking about closing distances anywhere else on the map, yasuo has absolutely no fucking chance keeping up with a zilean.

koreansmurf875113 votes

Thank you. So many people complain about yasuos mobility when it's useful in waves that tegu run past. In a tram fight you'll dash 3-5 times at most unless ur in a wave. It's a fixed distance and it has a static cooldown it's really easy to know where he's gunna end up and how to hit him

Theorchero7 votes

{quoted}

Thank you. So many people complain about yasuos mobility when it's useful in waves that tegu run past. In a tram fight you'll dash 3-5 times at most unless ur in a wave. It's a fixed distance and it has a static cooldown it's really easy to know where he's gunna end up and how to hit him

"I have only 3-5 dashes! :((("

Oh no.

koreansmurf87517 votes

hello? 3-5 fixed dashes that have one path? yes its pretty limited

dont get me wrong its still a lot of mobility, but ppl make him sound like a vayne or a lucian in terms of mobility

Spicy Rice4 votes

Exactly. Now imagine yasuo with tumble instead of sweeping dash

BIH Diamond2 votes

http://i.imgur.com/TLJhdSk.png

Explains everything

IPinPC4 votes

Explains what? This is not main account and I don't play on it ? Ah you got my forums account, great job, detective !

Serika Zero8 votes

I personally think the problem is his mobility being absurd.

I see his shield as very high hp regeneration values. But....... the fact he can ice skate around so much makes it veeeeeeery annoying and difficult to deal with. Combined with that shield fully stacked when he presser R successfully.

If we could limit his dashes to 2 in a row and then he needs some time to recharge them, even if its like 2 seconds. It would be A HUGE improvement. He still gona have 2 dashes that are resource free...... at least wait a bit before using them again. Akali only has 3 of them, the recharge is over 17 seconds and the internal cooldown is like 1-2 seconds. Yasuo has 0.1 internal cooldown between his and no recharge needed. -edit: akali's also have more range and can be used again on the same target in succession, still, compared with that 0.1s dash...

He would be much less of a pay with a cap on dash amount (2 or 3), an internal cooldown kept low (like 0.1-0.2s) and a recharge time of like 2 seconds for each dash. He would still have absurd mobility, but much less in a very short amount of time. That way, if he engages for a trade.... he won't be able to just easily ice skate away.

Leetri1 votes

He only has mobility to speak of inside your creep wave, and it's always a fixed distance so you know where he'll end up. It might be annoying, but so are a lot of things in the game. I personally have no problems playing against Yasuo, I'd much rather fight him than for example a Veigar or Annie who can just 100-0 you while only giving you 0.1 seconds to react. If it's a 1v1 (since we're talking about laning) you know when Yasuo can ult, and if you predict and dodge his skillshot he doesn't have an ult. That's a huge weakness that people never bring up when they talk about his free shields and ar.pen.

Serika Zero7 votes

the thing is...... when you go to farm... the general thing that happens.......... is that your creep wave....... meets the enemy creep wave...... shocking isn't it?

and even the biggest auto attack range, cait is going to be in E E E range for Yasuo when she's aiming for the caster creeps. I have a much easier time fighting vs Annie as I know she won't instantly cover 500+ range without flash. And she will keep flash for her R or flash on me when I'm low hp. Yasuo players (good ones), will dash tho your creep wave while you are farming and have trades with you. Generally he wins those trades unless you are something like Renekton/Darius/Fiora/Diana/Draven with 2 axes. And then dash back away.

Its very difficult to deal with these good yasuo players without jungler assistance. The only ones I can deal with this are my mains atm for mid (Diana and Morgana). Morgana, is a special exception that can farm from 1000+ range distance. And Diana has a shield herself which also does damage, so she can match Yasuo's aggression (until he gets a phantom dancer.... then you need to start with your burst and can't allow Yasuo to do a single aa on you, but generally this is lv6+ when Diana has kill pressure).

As for ults, Yasuo can always just EQ you into R. Making your predicting, worthless. I've dodged about 5 annie ults in 3 years of lol. Albeit Yasuo is a more recent addition, I wasn't able to dodge a single EQ setup for ult of his as once he is inside the E animation, he knows he will hit his Q. The only escape would be: zhonias And the CD of his 3 q is definitely less than zhonias

Great Ozymandius1 votes

Fun trick -- cait counters yasuo in a solo lane, particularly by maxing traps first, b/c she can put traps in her creep wave, completely negating yasuo's mobility. Try it out sometime.

Theorchero7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Ozymandius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Nu7ou60,comment-id=0009000100000000,timestamp=2016-12-02T17:09:33.458+0000)

Fun trick -- cait counters yasuo in a solo lane, particularly by maxing traps first, b/c she can put traps in her creep wave, completely negating yasuo's mobility. Try it out sometime.

If you max traps first you deserve it when you lose lane.

Oglaf7 votes

I'd rather they let him keep his dinky little Shield and axe his double crit chance.

AninLegions7773 votes

Meanwhile Tryn double crit + ignite you at level 1. Fair innit?

ZT Xperimentor7 votes

At least we can agree he's overloaded.

Smitty Manjensen4 votes

I love to see someone talk about balance, what's right and wrong, while posting from his 12 level account. You kinda don't have the right to talk about it if you're not posting from your main account, obviously you have one because you said how you never have been dumpstered by Yasuo. Also downvote me if you want, the only people who should talk about balance are diamond 1 and higher.

NightmareAmazoX14 votes

Meanwhile Riot Fearless who is Silver ranked and plays alot of Skarner and Udyr worked on CoC keystone.

Smitty Manjensen2 votes

{quoted}

Meanwhile Riot Fearless who is Silver ranked and plays alot of Skarner and Udyr worked on CoC keystone.

Yes he did, and what happened? The keystone is beyond broken, you literally proved my point.

Spaceman5pff10 votes

He is trying to side with you and you act like that?

Jesus you need to think about how you handle these situations.

xxxDogmanxxx16 votes

Yes, I do have another account (and yes, it is above Diamond 1, Master 124 LP currently). But be honest, will my post have changed your mind at all if I was posting using my other account? Probably not, right? You'd still disagree with me about it, considering you're trying to invalidate my opinion by bringing up the level of the account I'm posting on.

On the boards, I've always posted using my level 12 account. I like posting on my level 12 account (which I only created for my little cousin who lost interest in league anyway). It has all my upvotes.

Also, don't you think it's kind of unfair to only consider the opinions of players Diamond 1 and above for balance? We're only like less than 1% of the player base. What about the other 99%? Don't they get a say?

Oglaf14 votes

{quoted}

Yes, I do have another account (and yes, it is above Diamond 1, Master 124 LP currently). But be honest, will my post have changed your mind at all if I was posting using my other account? Probably not, right? You'd still disagree with me about it, considering you're trying to invalidate my opinion by bringing up the level of the account I'm posting on.

On the boards, I've always posted using my level 12 account. I like posting on my level 12 account (which I only created for my little cousin who lost interest in league anyway). It has all my upvotes.

Also, don't you think it's kind of unfair to only consider the opinions of players Diamond 1 and above for balance? We're only like less than 1% of the player base. What about the other 99%? Don't they get a say?

You'd be surprised how often "argumentum ad rankulum" is used on the boards.

Spaceman5pff14 votes

"argumentum ad rankulum"

I'm gonna have to use that one for myself sometime.

Project omen1 votes

Ok. Let's nerf the shield. And then reduce the cd of windwall to half and/or increase its duration.

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