An advice for riot.Improving its personality even more

Julybabo14·Apr 13, 2017·1 votes·794 views

Well to start off you guys are great at showing off the champ's personality,but there is something that can be done to further improve the experience with a certain champion.Like you did with warwick's w song,or rengar's ambient sound,music or ambients in general is improving the experience.But you can do something similar to dj sona,changing the main song theme with the sona's,it can get you deeper in your champ's personality and can improve the experience alot.

You can also do something to rift like you did to aram,changing its themes.I know it can be a hell lot of work but it would be worth it.Cause you will not experience a different game trough different matchups and teams,you can also experience a different game on a different map.It would dramaticaly improve the personality of the game(not that he doesn't have a great personality already)

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NahuiApr 13, 20171 votes

You have to consider cost/benefit. Will Riot investing tens of thousands of dollars into re-skinning SR for an event be worth it? Will they gain enough new players/enough RP purchases because of this change to make up for it? Will people suddenly desire to play LoL because the main map has snow on it or leaves or flowers or beach or anything on it? Or will it be the same exact game with the same exact niche with the same exact problems with a different color?

Julybabo14Apr 13, 20171 votes

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You have to consider cost/benefit. Will Riot investing tens of thousands of dollars into re-skinning SR for an event be worth it? Will they gain enough new players/enough RP purchases because of this change to make up for it? Will people suddenly desire to play LoL because the main map has snow on it or leaves or flowers or beach or anything on it? Or will it be the same exact game with the same exact niche with the same exact problems with a different color?

i see your point of view, but look at the new reworks,so many new champs,why is that not rp based?tell you why,because its for improving the game more and more.and as they said they are opened to feedback.I even mentioned it "I know it can be a hell lot of work but it would be worth it".

NahuiApr 14, 20171 votes

Because new champions shows players that meaningful content is being developed in the game, and it offers a different form of gameplay. Changing the color of the rift doesn't do this. They also do have an RP cost so they do make plenty of money off of them.

They'll improve the game, but only things that bring in profits. It's only worth it if they make money off of it. Reskinning the rift will not. They tried it in the past, it must not have had the results they were looking for.

Julybabo14Apr 14, 20171 votes

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Because new champions shows players that meaningful content is being developed in the game, and it offers a different form of gameplay. Changing the color of the rift doesn't do this. They also do have an RP cost so they do make plenty of money off of them.

They'll improve the game, but only things that bring in profits. It's only worth it if they make money off of it. Reskinning the rift will not. They tried it in the past, it must not have had the results they were looking for.

dude changing the theme is not changing the color.Maybe make it an shadowy arena with enforced walls to represent noxus or something like that.And i was talking about reworks i just said it.You are quite ignorant.Why do they rework champions if they dont profit?its just a stupid logic to think that any change they do to the game is for rp.they have to get it better and better cause if it stays the way it is and games are more and more advanced,well its going to die.They are just making shure its alive by bringing more and more content.

Julybabo14Apr 14, 20171 votes

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dude changing the theme is not changing the color.Maybe make it an shadowy arena with enforced walls to represent noxus or something like that.And i was talking about reworks i just said it.You are quite ignorant.Why do they rework champions if they dont profit?its just a stupid logic to think that any change they do to the game is for rp.they have to get it better and better cause if it stays the way it is and games are more and more advanced,well its going to die.They are just making shure its alive by bringing more and more content.

and also ive seen it but it was waay back then,like when i never heard of league.

NahuiApr 15, 20171 votes

You're thinking of winter rift, Halloween rift, and others way back in early seasons. Yes, Riot did this. Now, why do you suppose they stopped?

Here's why. Economics. They tried out their themes, looked at sales/active players, and realized that changing the theme of the rift doesn't actually bring in players nor does it increase sales. It's a nice change, people are happy. but it didn't improve the game the way they wanted it too. People don't look at league and think "Meh" and then see a winter theme and go "I have to play this now." Nor do they see a winter theme and decide they must buy skins.

In fact, skins replaced re-coloring the rift. Instead of having rift themes, Riot simply puts work into a variety of skins, game modes, and icons/wards. Things that actually make them money and change the game (Minus skins, since technically they're just as cosmetic as changing the Rift, but they do make money.)

Julybabo14Apr 15, 20171 votes

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You're thinking of winter rift, Halloween rift, and others way back in early seasons. Yes, Riot did this. Now, why do you suppose they stopped?

Here's why. Economics. They tried out their themes, looked at sales/active players, and realized that changing the theme of the rift doesn't actually bring in players nor does it increase sales. It's a nice change, people are happy. but it didn't improve the game the way they wanted it too. People don't look at league and think "Meh" and then see a winter theme and go "I have to play this now." Nor do they see a winter theme and decide they must buy skins.

In fact, skins replaced re-coloring the rift. Instead of having rift themes, Riot simply puts work into a variety of skins, game modes, and icons/wards. Things that actually make them money and change the game (Minus skins, since technically they're just as cosmetic as changing the Rift, but they do make money.)

again,you are ignorant,you ignore the fact that there are some features that makes league disgusting and unplayable.Like for example i am begining to step away from league more and more,why?Because it gets repetitive.Not only by the current meta being snowball and fuck everything or lose by the enemy being snoballed but where the lore takes place and how.I personaly liked a lot butchers bridge,snowy sumoners rift and the blood moon sumoners rift.Dont talk to me about economics and such stuff when we are talking about the most played game.You expect much of it.And tell me why do they rework zac?he is good he has preety good abilities and a lot of other champs needs reworks much more than zac or maokai.heck they even reworked ryze at the point you just lose the count.look at smite and heroes of the storm if you ever played them you know they have map diversity with different objectives(i know they did it to stand a chance agaist league and dota) and league has to do it also.Ive heard many times they said they want to improve the experience for us players,and thats just what it needs.You look at them as the most of game developers where they dont care about us and just want to milk money.You just ignore those facts,thats why i called you ignorant.And yea im trying to be an artist too,so i know doing what i said would be a shit ton of work,but we are talking about the most played game,treat it like it.

Julybabo14Apr 15, 20171 votes

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again,you are ignorant,you ignore the fact that there are some features that makes league disgusting and unplayable.Like for example i am begining to step away from league more and more,why?Because it gets repetitive.Not only by the current meta being snowball and fuck everything or lose by the enemy being snoballed but where the lore takes place and how.I personaly liked a lot butchers bridge,snowy sumoners rift and the blood moon sumoners rift.Dont talk to me about economics and such stuff when we are talking about the most played game.You expect much of it.And tell me why do they rework zac?he is good he has preety good abilities and a lot of other champs needs reworks much more than zac or maokai.heck they even reworked ryze at the point you just lose the count.look at smite and heroes of the storm if you ever played them you know they have map diversity with different objectives(i know they did it to stand a chance agaist league and dota) and league has to do it also.Ive heard many times they said they want to improve the experience for us players,and thats just what it needs.You look at them as the most of game developers where they dont care about us and just want to milk money.You just ignore those facts,thats why i called you ignorant.And yea im trying to be an artist too,so i know doing what i said would be a shit ton of work,but we are talking about the most played game,treat it like it.

I think lore is something that has to improve.The pure lore its awsome,but not everyone playes the game for its personality and they just want to play the game without realising how much they are missing.

NahuiApr 15, 20171 votes

You didn't even read my post or did not understand it. I just explained how exactly reworking the rift doesn't matter for Riot. Whether you want it or not is irrelevant. You can hate summoner's rift base skin all you want, it's not a feeling shared by enough people to matter. They tried reskinning. It didn't make the game any better, more profitable, or more active.

Julybabo14Apr 16, 20171 votes

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You didn't even read my post or did not understand it. I just explained how exactly reworking the rift doesn't matter for Riot. Whether you want it or not is irrelevant. You can hate summoner's rift base skin all you want, it's not a feeling shared by enough people to matter. They tried reskinning. It didn't make the game any better, more profitable, or more active. And again you simply ignore or just dont understand my arguments,you say it again and again its not profitable but many things they do are not profitable and just for improving the experience,you dont seem to understand that.

“Yes, we’re still investing millions into esports without profit, but our goal with esports has always been to make a great player experience first,” “Before Marc and I started Riot, we wanted to do an esports league - we were going to call it the ultimate gaming league (UGL). Even back then, the community blew us away with their response to early high-level competitive play and we responded to that passion, hoping to reward it with a high quality experience. Our journey has been about investing into that passion to see where it can go.” but i supose you wont give up on your stubbornness and ignore all of those facts i trew at you.

NahuiApr 17, 20171 votes

eSports isn't profit? I suppose that every single person sitting in the audience was admitted without a ticket, right? I suppose all the sponsers from companies with their advertisements plastered everywhere was free, right?

You didn't give me any facts. You literally just put some random lines in quotation marks and tried to pass it off as evidence. Here, have some real evidence.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/league-of-legends-revenue-esports-riot/

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20161206/2349/2016-world-championship-numbers

You realize when it comes to e-Sports, they don't mean the game you play, right? You're not playing an e-Sport. When you load up League of Legends, you're not playing the e-Sport. You're playing the game.

e-Sports refer to world championships and real, structured competitions. I'm not saying Riot doesn't care about it's players, I'm saying it needs to make money. It's shelling out millions to players and teams in winnings alone. But, you don't understand basic economics so this isn't a conversation you're capable of having. I'm going to say you're about 13 years old max, or you haven't attended any sort of university/dropped out of high school. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're just hiding behind the same phrase (You're ignorant) in an ad hominem sort of way. You probably don't know what that means.

Point is, stop trying to argue. You're delusional. You think money forms out of thin air, which is funny. No. Riot needs to make money. Sorry the world isn't a perfect communist world where we all just share everything. With no money, we get no game. So Riot won't do much of anything with no money involved. eSports exist for money. It's publicity, they make millions in advertisements and ticket sales as well as viewership. The stats are in one of the links I sent.

Forget about your summoner rift reskin. It isn't happening. You can cry all you want, you can immaturely call people ignorant all you want, but hey. Guess what? You think there should be reskins of the rift. I think there shouldn't. You think you're right, I think I'm right. Now let's look at League. OH LOOK!!!!!! No reskins. That means I'm right.

So don't pretend like you can fight economics. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're not getting your pretty rift, so you can just phase out about now and continue on in wishful, ignorant bliss.

Julybabo14Apr 17, 20171 votes

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eSports isn't profit? I suppose that every single person sitting in the audience was admitted without a ticket, right? I suppose all the sponsers from companies with their advertisements plastered everywhere was free, right?

You didn't give me any facts. You literally just put some random lines in quotation marks and tried to pass it off as evidence. Here, have some real evidence.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/league-of-legends-revenue-esports-riot/

http://www.riotgames.com/articles/20161206/2349/2016-world-championship-numbers

You realize when it comes to e-Sports, they don't mean the game you play, right? You're not playing an e-Sport. When you load up League of Legends, you're not playing the e-Sport. You're playing the game.

e-Sports refer to world championships and real, structured competitions. I'm not saying Riot doesn't care about it's players, I'm saying it needs to make money. It's shelling out millions to players and teams in winnings alone. But, you don't understand basic economics so this isn't a conversation you're capable of having. I'm going to say you're about 13 years old max, or you haven't attended any sort of university/dropped out of high school. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're just hiding behind the same phrase (You're ignorant) in an ad hominem sort of way. You probably don't know what that means.

Point is, stop trying to argue. You're delusional. You think money forms out of thin air, which is funny. No. Riot needs to make money. Sorry the world isn't a perfect communist world where we all just share everything. With no money, we get no game. So Riot won't do much of anything with no money involved. eSports exist for money. It's publicity, they make millions in advertisements and ticket sales as well as viewership. The stats are in one of the links I sent.

Forget about your summoner rift reskin. It isn't happening. You can cry all you want, you can immaturely call people ignorant all you want, but hey. Guess what? You think there should be reskins of the rift. I think there shouldn't. You think you're right, I think I'm right. Now let's look at League. OH LOOK!!!!!! No reskins. That means I'm right.

So don't pretend like you can fight economics. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're not getting your pretty rift, so you can just phase out about now and continue on in wishful, ignorant bliss.

Im not even bothering to get trough your stuborness you just are an ignorant.

NahuiApr 17, 20171 votes

Last words of a defeated man.

Julybabo14Apr 18, 20171 votes

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Last words of a defeated man.

trowing words over and over again doesn't prove you are smarter.Your more stupid than the one who you are arguing.You just ignore what i am saying and you say something otherwise,repeat i give up to showing an idiot my point of view and im defeated.Yea preety much.Yea preety much the lol comunity.

NahuiApr 18, 20171 votes

You literally just put into the words the exact situation here, but it's reversed. Read my posts and your posts. It's not difficult to see who was correct lol.

NahuiApr 15, 20171 votes

Please don't call me ignorant and start attacking me when I've done nothing of the sort to you. I could easily attack you on your clear lack of knowledge on basic economics, supply/demand and cost/benefit analysis but I'm not because I was under the impression we were having a friendly conversation.

Again, I'm not sure what's confusing here. You're comparing cosmetics to gameplay. SR can be pink, it can be red, it can be normal SR, it can be your shadowy noxus arena, anything like that. It can be any theme, any color, any ambiance, you name it. Nothing has changed. It's the same exact champions, playing in the same exact lanes, farming between 6-7 minions every 30 seconds or so. Objectives are in the same places. Nothing has changed. It just looks cool.

When you rework champions, you encourage players that don't have the champion, to buy the champion. When they buy the champion, they have a good chance of buying a skin.

However, let's pretend everyone owns this champion, right? Let's say they rework Master Yi. I assume most players have Master Yi, so why rework him? Because those that don't play him may pick him up and also, buy a skin.

Not only does reworking a champion bring direct champion sales and skin sales, it also brings good publicity. Now here I admit, your re-color idea is about the same thing. If they put work into constantly changing the theme, yeah, League might get a cool rep for having dynamically themed maps as the year goes on. But it's not the same as a champion. When there are balance issues and player behavior issues, people won't see changes in themes and suddenly want to play again or start playing because, even though the core issues haven't changed, the rift looks cooler.

However, when you're reworking champions, you're not doing it for fun. You won't see a Kled rework or a Xayah/Rakan rework anytime soon. You rework champions that don't fit the game anymore and are weak, or their kit is unable to be balanced with numbers and needs an overhaul. Poppy, Taric, Galio, Urgot and Aatrox soon. These are all champions famous for being absolute shit (Urgot not so much, but still considered pretty bad). By reworking them, you're reintroducing content that wasn't be used and therefore going to waste. You show the players that the game is always changing, that ALL champions are meant to be played, and if not, we will change them so they are. It may take them a long time, but in the end, they're changing and advancing gameplay. The theme of the rift isn't gameplay. That's purely cosmetic. That's the difference.

Any questions?