Here is why Zed is bullshit to deal with.

Lush Father·Aug 9, 2018·39 votes·12,823 views

Electrocute + Duskblade means he doesn't need to land his Q to overkill you. Oh, you say I can build a Guardian Angel to build against his ult! Except GA has a 5 minute fucking cooldown compared to Zed's 120/90/60 second cooldown, not even mentioning that he builds , which is 40% cooldown reducation, so it'll be on a 24 second cooldown level 16.

Oh, what about ? Ok, but that's a mage specific item, so 90-ish champions are fucked out of that book.

Again, going to my previous post, allow me to QSS Zed ult. It might as well be a de-buff because he's guaranteed to kill me with it each time as long as he hits his e and auto's me once, then get popped by his ult which also applies electrocute by itself. This shit isn't fun to play by any means.

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Handin Out NapsAug 9, 201836 votes

Zed's 120/90/60 second cooldown, not even mentioning that he builds , which is 40% cooldown reducation, so it'll be on a 24 second cooldown level 16.

That's some spicy math.

TempName54846Aug 10, 20182 votes

well to be fair ultimate hunter is ran by every zed player so his math isn't actually that far off, the actual cd of a zed ult at around level 16 would be 30-28 sec

PhalseLogicAug 9, 201815 votes

... Can you do math bro? 40% off of 60 seconds is not 24... Thats more than half of the original number. Try again. And you're most likely not building armor vs him early game. Just rush item 3191 or item 3026 and stop feeding like everyone else who doesnt buy this.

sobi999Aug 9, 20183 votes

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PhalseLogicAug 9, 201815 votes

Who do you think you're talking to?
He said 40% CDR and nothing about additional runes.
WAIT THERE'S MORE Ultimate hunter is multiplicative and not additive. 40% off 60 seconds is 36 5% off of 36 seconds from Ultimate Hunter is 30.6 seconds
Especially as a mage you're supposed to rush against ALL AD matchups. If you aren't, you're literally cucking yourself. It sounds to me like you keep building the same build path against all opponents thinking it will be okay
I used to main Karthus before I picked up Sion season 7. Always rushed seekers vs a zed or a Yasuo

Get some fucking manners, learn to do math, and don't stalk my account because you don't like what I have to say even though its right. Tbh I should have you reported for calling me an ape; out of nowhere too. Dont worry I numbered the points so you can read them without having to think too hard.

sobi999Aug 9, 20181 votes

My math was correct, the wording used by League client is wrong and as indicated here http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Hunter .... that says "Ultimate Hunter stacks multiplicatively with regular cooldown reduction. This means that the effective reduction is less than the advertised value while you have any CDR from other sources."

Thus, i can agree that i lacked the knowledge. But I do not think calling you ape was wrong.You basically reverted back to your argument of "correcting your maths" instead of focusing on the fact that Zed's ult CD time being significantly lower in comparison to zhony's active.

The next point was that, building armor does nothing with the amount of damage the game currently has. Zed's ult and ignite put 2 proc's of elec on yourself and then all he needs to do is AA or E to proc elec damage. With ignite and AA taking 40% of your health at early levels, you can imagine how easy it would be for zed to kill you with his ult. You think building zhonya against zed was something only a clever person could think off? As a matter of fact, i predominantly play support (which you didn't bother to find out) and even then i make sure i build armor against Zed because once he gets a kill, he face rolls any mid (considering Zed is decent) and then snowballs by killing other lanes. Seen it happen over and over again, and with his diving abilities under tower and mobility, there is hardly anyway to punish a good zed, that is if he gets fed.

Since your thinking that Zed is the same as he was in season 7, it is no wonder how delusional your comments sound. Like for example stating , "just build armor". Thanks for your helpful and insightful advice.

PhalseLogicAug 10, 20182 votes

Every time I see someone get facerolled in the mid lane they never build that item. See the comment below to understand why a 300g buy shits on his 1100 gold buy and how efficient seekers I against him and other lethality mid matchups.

And your zhonyas should not protect you from every ult he has to throw at you. At lvl 6 his ult (without CDR) is the same cooldown as zhonyas so stop bitching about him snowballing during laning phase.

I'm assuming team fights post lvl 16 are the problem here. Seeing as how you're the support you seem to be the one that's messing them up. When zed ults, he lands directly behind his target. Stun him right there. Exhaust him right there. Root him right there. As Sion, when i see zed ult a target, I start to charge my Q while he's in the animation behind my ally. It's a team game and it seems you're not "supporting" your team the right way. Get reported goofball.

LakegaAug 10, 20183 votes

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Every time I see someone get facerolled in the mid lane they never build that item. See the comment below to understand why a 300g buy shits on his 1100 gold buy and how efficient seekers I against him and other lethality mid matchups.

And your zhonyas should not protect you from every ult he has to throw at you. At lvl 6 his ult (without CDR) is the same cooldown as zhonyas so stop bitching about him snowballing during laning phase.

I'm assuming team fights post lvl 16 are the problem here. Seeing as how you're the support you seem to be the one that's messing them up. When zed ults, he lands directly behind his target. Stun him right there. Exhaust him right there. Root him right there. As Sion, when i see zed ult a target, I start to charge my Q while he's in the animation behind my ally. It's a team game and it seems you're not "supporting" your team the right way. Get reported goofball.

The fact you NEED an item to stop zed from all inning you everytime his ult is up, is fact proof he's broken and OP. It's that simple... He doesn't even need to be fed, and even by lvl 10 just by passively safe farming with his Q, he can all in you miss half his shit, and still kill you with almost no threat in return..

Once he gets a few kills, forces you to pop zhonya's once, then all ins you on his second ult cd before your zhonya's is up, its gg..

He doesn't take skill, and he isn't skill based. put your cursor next to your opponent, ult, Q, auto, W, and warp back to your clone 2 screens away and wait for the free kill from your ult.. It's not difficult. Its superbly easy. It takes a very very high elo player to be able to effectively counter a zed through sheer split second perfect timings, and even then they need zhonya's to for that little bit of added damage reduction.

its completely broken, and just trying to argue how zed isn't disgustingly broken is a joke in all honesty.

PhalseLogicAug 10, 20181 votes

You have to play around him. By the time he gets lvl 2 ult, your teammates should be grouping at this point so they can answer to his ult when he appears behind his target. In addition, it helps if the person targeted faces AWAY from his/her teammates so zed spawns that much closer to the people about to slaughter him. It's almost like playing around rengar, don't wander alone It's almost like playing around nocturne, don't wander alone

PhalseLogicAug 10, 20181 votes

I have to add that he may be frustrating to play against, but I'm a top laner I don't see him much during laning phase. I do see him shitting on people but something to understand is the people getting shit on weren't building properly. Now that he has his one or two kills he can steamroll. Feast or famine.

sobi999Aug 11, 20181 votes

Lel, wow you really have no idea about the state of the game do you? No idiot buys Zhonyas at lvl 6 without buying shoes or lost chapter, not considering the fact how difficult it would be to buy zhonya at lvl 6 unless you get fed over and over again.

He lands behind you, with a 0.5second, i knew it and i've known it. If that was enough to counter him, you wouldn't see this thread. Geez, learn to be constructive for once in your life. The whole post was about zed's kits synergy with electrocute and the fact that ignite and elec can easily get him kills at early levels and with his mobility he can easily escape. In other words, he probably doesn't need to land his skill shots once he gets a little ahead, he can just proc elec with AA, ignite, duskblade and ult which is what? All targeted ? Then R back to safety and will still have W and flash in his disposal. Ofcourse, if he was able to 100-0 sion easily, you would be on the same page as me. pfftt, i played karthus season 7. lol

PhalseLogicAug 11, 20181 votes

you're asking me to be constructive while all you're doing is whining and not thinking of ways to deal with him. I have plenty of bad matchups in top lane. Sometimes I win them because I played them correctly. I don't always win, its not even 50/50 but I win enough bad matchups like sion into darius, sion into riven, sion into tyrndamere. Like I don't always win but at least I know what to do and sometimes it works! I alter my playstyle, I change my build, I permaban darius even though I know what to do vs him. I adapt.

You talk about being constructive. Why don't you try it and stop crying. Notice how I didn't put a question mark there. I'm not asking you to stop crying, I'm telling you to stop crying or permaban him.

Edit: BTW I have been 100-0 as a sion, very early on in a gank, but thats because I pushed without vision and I got punished.

sobi999Aug 11, 20181 votes

I feel like i am running in a loop. I hardly ever play mid lane and thus i have no reason to cry over Zed but i do believe that his damage is way too much for how skill reliant he is. Zed has a decently high skill cap but with his current damage, he doesn't need that skill and as you probably know, high skill champs also have high counter potential. He basically has it all now unless you play like LCS and i hoping to god that you do not expect that in lower elo's, heck even in diamonds.

DW DianaAug 9, 20183 votes

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Who do you think you're talking to?

He said 40% CDR and nothing about additional runes.

WAIT THERE'S MORE Ultimate hunter is multiplicative and not additive. 40% off 60 seconds is 36 5% off of 36 seconds from Ultimate Hunter is 30.6 seconds

Especially as a mage you're supposed to rush against ALL AD matchups. If you aren't, you're literally cucking yourself. It sounds to me like you keep building the same build path against all opponents thinking it will be okay

I used to main Karthus before I picked up Sion season 7. Always rushed seekers vs a zed or a Yasuo

Get some fucking manners, learn to do math, and don't stalk my account because you don't like what I have to say even though its right. Tbh I should have you reported for calling me an ape; out of nowhere too. Dont worry I numbered the points so you can read them without having to think too hard.

I agree with all your points here, but Mage's building item 3191 actually does very little. Not sure if you've seen the maths, but overall the item costs you 4x more then the stats are worth, even when fully "stacked". Add to that the fact that armour is currently the worst stat in the game by far and... why are we buying it again? ^_-

PhalseLogicAug 10, 20182 votes

The point is is that assassins like zed love to build lethality to do, what can essentially be boiled down to as, true damage.

10 lethality from item 3134 whereas you get 15 armor from item 1029 . You essentially shit on their 1100 gold buy with only 300 gold.

And what maths are you talking about? 30 armor= 600 gold 20 AP = 435 So it's like 65 gold off of 100% value?

But wait, there's more! It's not even fully stacked You get another 300 gold of value from the armor after its fully stacked. We are already over 100% efficiency vs cost without even considering the stacked APP

TempName54846Aug 10, 20184 votes

4x more than the stats are worth? wasn't this item ridiculously gold efficient once stacked?

EDIT: the item is 150% gold efficient when fully stacked, this item is actually better value than seraphs and rod of ages while fully stacked lmao

PhalseLogicAug 10, 20182 votes

thank you

Handy Sandy Aug 10, 20181 votes

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... Can you do math bro? 40% off of 60 seconds is not 24... Thats more than half of the original number. Try again. And you're most likely not building armor vs him early game. Just rush or and stop feeding like everyone else who doesnt buy this.

You cannot build item 3191 that early in the game unless you're smurfing.

PhalseLogicAug 10, 20181 votes

start cloth 5 if you wanna be a baby

try your best to recall with at least 1100 gold on your first back, most likely if youre getting poked out by zed it will be second but at least you'll have bought armor

Handy Sandy Aug 11, 20181 votes

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start cloth 5 if you wanna be a baby

or

try your best to recall with at least 1100 gold on your first back, most likely if youre getting poked out by zed it will be second but at least you'll have bought armor

Do you know how far it sets back a mage if they buy any AR/MR? When they do, the game just goes on and they're useless because they aren't doing damage fast enough. Eventually someone's already snowballed and winning the game before they finish their first damage and mana item.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 11, 20181 votes

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Do you know how far it sets back a mage if they buy any AR/MR? When they do, the game just goes on and they're useless because they aren't doing damage fast enough. Eventually someone's already snowballed and winning the game before they finish their first damage and mana item.

You literally described the main point of why going against a Zed is frustrating. Building something that's not defensive is too much of a risk considering how much Zed can chunk with his combo.

VanëssaAug 9, 20186 votes

And zhonya and GA don't even help you so much unless you are with someone, otherwise he can full combo you again with his basic abilities, but personally I always ban him because he is one of the most played champ with many people who main him.

wildfox99Aug 9, 20186 votes

Oh, what about ? Ok, but that's a mage specific item, so 90-ish champions are fucked out of that book.

item 3157 CD is higher than zed ult as well,also you'll be a free targed for his double Q (+ AA if needed) when it ends

Again, going to my previous post, allow me to QSS Zed ult

no,QQS removing debuffs doesn't make sense (ik it was used to remove them but it got removed for a reason) and anyway you would get a MR item against an AD,he wouldn't even need to ult for killing you

Future MemoriesAug 9, 20185 votes

I'll give a little tip Resolve + item 1029 and you are good to go ^^

Cptn Han SoloQAug 9, 20181 votes

Resvolve and armor can really help u, to not get onehittet before he reaches 6, after 6 even a fullstacked seekers with resolve second tree will not save u from a zed onehitting u. Also before 6 all it does is allow u to live with like 100 hp, which means back to base for u every time his w is up. People need to face that it is not zeds fault, the overall damage from runes and items is way to high early and won't be going down till preseason. It isn't zeds fault they removed skill from the equation in order to play him in lane.

DeνiruchiAug 10, 20182 votes

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Resvolve and armor can really help u, to not get onehittet before he reaches 6, after 6 even a fullstacked seekers with resolve second tree will not save u from a zed onehitting u. Also before 6 all it does is allow u to live with like 100 hp, which means back to base for u every time his w is up. People need to face that it is not zeds fault, the overall damage from runes and items is way to high early and won't be going down till preseason. It isn't zeds fault they removed skill from the equation in order to play him in lane.

As much as I dislike Zed as a whole, it's true. Zed was easily manageable just with Zhonyas before runes rework and at some point was even considered a troll pick for how easily he was countered but electrocute and lethality items are too strong. These runes are just too good on some champions and shit on others. Because of that, even If you Zhonyas his ult, he'll just camp and kill you anyway, unless you get ult-diven and used zhonyas under your tower.

S0lShadowsAug 10, 20181 votes

Careful dude, too much common sense you might get downvoted.

aezensAug 11, 20181 votes

Let´s see .. at lv 6 the average mage with item 1056 and item 1029 has about 1000hp and 45 armor thats 1450 ehp. Standart Zed runes + item 3134 + summoner 14 will one shots you if he lands at least one q, e and autoattack. Bone Plating can be proced easily and Chrysalis offers an additional 62.5 ehp which means you can maybe survive 1/2 autoattack longer.

CppLAug 9, 20184 votes

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Electrocute + Duskblade means he doesn't need to land his Q to overkill you. Oh, you say I can build a Guardian Angel to build against his ult! Except GA has a 5 minute fucking cooldown compared to Zed's 120/90/60 second cooldown, not even mentioning that he builds , which is 40% cooldown reducation, so it'll be on a 24 second cooldown level 16.

Oh, what about ? Ok, but that's a mage specific item, so 90-ish champions are fucked out of that book.

Again, going to my previous post, allow me to QSS Zed ult. It might as well be a de-buff because he's guaranteed to kill me with it each time as long as he hits his e and auto's me once, then get popped by his ult which also applies electrocute by itself. This shit isn't fun to play by any means.

No it wont.Do the math again

LacerationAug 10, 20184 votes

Easily abusable in lane, tons of built in counterplay; stopwatch, zhonyas, GA all make his teamfight usless; must hit atleast 2-3 shurikens in most casses to kill. The list goes on, If you can't deal with zed it does not mean zed's op, it probably means there's basic aspects like lanning and positioning is which you're lacking.

Lonely ShadowAug 10, 20181 votes

Do you stream i would love to watch

LacerationAug 10, 20181 votes

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Do you stream i would love to watch

ye twitch.tv/lacerration

haenexAug 9, 20183 votes

LL STYLISH ( best zed NA) said that the best way yo counter zed is... ready for it? Build armor since that armor is a superior stat than AD lethality becomes useless the moment you build armor just get tabis and hourglass and a tank item if you are ap if you are ad then build tabis GA and another armor item and be Live me he won't do shit to you

S0lShadowsAug 10, 20183 votes

You people crying about Zed constantly is hilarious. The champ is not in a good spot. He was pretty much never in a good spot since the assassin meta. The longer the game goes on the more useless he gets. Do you ever notice that his high elo pick and ban rate is very low? Cause any player with a brain knows how easy it is to play against him. Hes probably one of the assassins in the game with the most counterplay. If Zed dives into your team to kill you late game, your team has a solid second to see who hes ulting and prepare to CC him. Ever since Ive made it to high platinum I rarely ever see Zed banned anymore. In fact, this is probably one of the worst seasons for me ever playing Zed. I can barely carry games because its just so easy to play around him, especially with so many champs doing tons of burst that outdoes your burst, and the addition of stopwatch. Take a day to watch LL Stylish stream and he constantly shows very clear points as to how Zed struggles this season, and then people like you make a post crying about Zed because you lost lane him because you cant use your brain. Its hilarious.

TakazakiAug 9, 20182 votes

summoner 3 item 3157 Fizz Vladimir Akali Ekko

the amount of counter options to fight zed is large because since he was so over played, people have know his kit in and out

ElixorsAug 9, 20185 votes

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the amount of counter options to fight zed is large because since he was so over played, people have know his kit in and out

so we're being forced into playing champs just because riot refuses to do something about his stupidly high burst lol

Child of the PitAug 9, 20182 votes

I mean in his defense, you should always do your best to counterpick the enemy or their team comp, you can't pick, f.e, Vel'koz into Yasuo and complain that you can't win the lane and die alot.

But that's not point of the post, however also not a reason to downvote him, he just states the obvious.

TakazakiAug 10, 20181 votes

lmao everyone else above me said piratically the same thing. i get down voted for trying to make it easy and point out the no brainers people wanna ignore

S0lShadowsAug 10, 20181 votes

Is that not true against like literally any champion? There are always champs you don't pick into others, always. Its called counterplay. If the enemy picks quinn you pick someone like Jax. If the enemy picks eve, you pick a good early game jungler to destroy her early game. If the enemy picks vayne you pick someone very long range like Caitlin. If the enemy picks Thresh youre probably gonna pick morgana to spellshield his stuff. Every champ In the game has champs that excel against them, and you`re sitting here complaining that you might have to pick a champ that excels against another champ. Big brain.

ElixorsAug 10, 20181 votes

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Is that not true against like literally any champion? There are always champs you don't pick into others, always. Its called counterplay. If the enemy picks quinn you pick someone like Jax. If the enemy picks eve, you pick a good early game jungler to destroy her early game. If the enemy picks vayne you pick someone very long range like Caitlin. If the enemy picks Thresh youre probably gonna pick morgana to spellshield his stuff. Every champ In the game has champs that excel against them, and you`re sitting here complaining that you might have to pick a champ that excels against another champ. Big brain.

If there are only four champions, out of the 140 or so champs in the whole game that can possibly counter him, then yeah there might be an issue.

TakazakiAug 10, 20182 votes

only 4 that are braindead counters

everything else requires practice and a little bit of gameknowlage

S0lShadowsAug 10, 20181 votes

There are way, way more than 4 counters. Any champion capable of prolonged trades will outdo Zed. Once Zed uses his full combo he cannot use it again for 22 seconds. Any champion that can take advantage of that downtime to deny him farm or trade with him is a good choice (think Azir harassing him with soliders, Orianna and her ball, etc) Because he cannot fight back and farm easily without his W.

LakegaAug 10, 20181 votes

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so we're being forced into playing champs just because riot refuses to do something about his stupidly high burst lol

While I agree zed is disgustingly broken and OP, with far too many steroids jammed up his ass for free. Your point is laughable... that's the whole point of League.. Some champs are stronger against others, some champs are weaker against others, that's the whole point of counter picking...

The real problem with zed... is those 4 champs are literally his only counter... 4 champs out of 100's... that's enough to show how disgustingly broken he is.

ElixorsAug 10, 20181 votes

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While I agree zed is disgustingly broken and OP, with far too many steroids jammed up his ass for free. Your point is laughable... that's the whole point of League.. Some champs are stronger against others, some champs are weaker against others, that's the whole point of counter picking...

The real problem with zed... is those 4 champs are literally his only counter... 4 champs out of 100's... that's enough to show how disgustingly broken he is.

What do you think the point of my post was?

LakegaAug 10, 20181 votes

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What do you think the point of my post was?

I get what you were saying now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

TakazakiAug 10, 20181 votes

no, i jus listed the obvious ones that dont require much pratice since you seem to not care to learn the counter play of an extreamly popular champion.

If you bothered to use a little deep thinking in what i said you realize that nearly every mid laner ha a way to deal with zed, its a matter of knowing the match up

Zed R : always lands in the exact same spot, even mages that zed has an edge on can outplay him by throwing CC right below them, reducing the damage he does during his ult dramatically decreased his bursted even with electronuke and dusk

Zed shadow: again, unless the zed is a one trick, they are super easy to read. play the champ for 10 games, when zed wants to switch with his W typically they will move forward with no delay in action ( IE throw shadow but continue to path forward anyways ) but when they just was the safe WEQ combo typically there is a small noticible delay between actions ( IE shadow path backwards then E Q )

use that to your advantage, rank 1 shadow is about a 15s cooldown, punish zed here, count to 7 , zeds Q will be back up soon.

Rather then bitching about the most overplayed an over analyzed assassin, do remember that even if he has a favorable meta, he hasnt changed at his core ever, use the literal stores of information about zeds laning and fuck him over.

WitchQueen AnnieAug 10, 20182 votes

in my view, anyone who complains about Zed is just bad at the game...

He has a 20+ second cool down on his most key ability and there is tons and tons of counterplay against him. He's literally one of the worst team fighters...