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Junglers Getting Level 3 Before Top Laners is Frustrating

RecessHero·3/9/2018, 5:25:17 AM·21 votes·2,906 views

I can't tell you how frustrating it is playing top lane where I go for a trade at level two against the enemy top in the middle of the lane, but the enemy jungler shows up for a gank and is already level three. It's happened twice in my past three games and it doesn't seem to be a rare occurrence.

I know Riot has talked about nerfing jungle sustain and that will probably help, but good god is it frustrating playing a solo laner and being behind in levels to the junglers early. I really hope Riot does do something about this if the sustain nerf doesn't work because I think this situation is one of the reasons top lane feels so frustrating to play.

Also, it's not like I am freezing lane and playing slowly. I play a lot of Urgot and push hard for his level 2 powerspike to go for a favorable trade and continue hard farming. I feel like that should be safe from jungler intervention that early.

Anyone else frustrated by this? Or am I just unlucky/bad here?

44 Comments

HeartPalpitation3/9/2018, 11:03:48 AM8 votes

drinking game - take a shot for everytime OP said "frustrating"

Did The Maff3/9/2018, 8:38:56 AM8 votes

I see nothing wrong with jungler hitting a lvl 3 powerspike in order to hard gank top/mid eventhough it can be frustrating being ganked.

A couple of things that might keep you more safe for further games:

Note which jungler you are facing. Xin Zhao, Nocturne, J4, Zac will probably gank as early as possible. Shyvanas, Master yi and Evelynn not so much.
If you hardpush as urgot, skill E at lvl 2 and save it, in case of a gank happening.
Notice the timer. Level 3 ganks doesnt come until after 3 mins, so since you are pushing, place a ward at 2.45 at brush or behind the wall.

PapaGreg213/9/2018, 3:12:41 PM7 votes

Jungle gets starved for experience come mid game when there is nothing to farm. At least top lane gets some nice minions coming to them forever. If you starve exp from junglers early, they are going to fall way behind everybody else and will essentially be forced to babysit lanes to be useful

Hügö3/9/2018, 7:28:21 PM5 votes

Holy fuck you little hashinshins can you stop? The fast level 3 of junglers is commonly known and the only time the jungler is ahead in levels, so why not stop being stupid and just wait out this powerspike?

anmyauntieonpo3/9/2018, 9:18:34 AM4 votes

pretty easy to make irrelevant though? just dont push the wave lol or put an early ward. its that easy. they can't gank u from behind at that level. unless they are kayn or zac who have no dmg early. you really shouldn't die to a level 3 gank unless you have no flash for some reason, are low on hp, or are overextended. no jungler that i can think of can clear fast enough and cc you hard enough to secure a kill unless you simply aren't respecting the jungle's ability to do what he should be able to, which is gank you.

MorganFreemanBot3/9/2018, 5:44:43 PM4 votes

How do people complain about this?

The jungler literally has a 30 second window where they'll show up. It's the same every freaking game. Every freaking time.

Just watch your jungler, and when you see them on their second buff / 3rd camp, go ward. Congratz, you have survived. Otherwise just throw down a ward as your third minion wave is coming in; congrats, you have survived.

It's the most predictable thing ever. There's literally no excuse for being caught off guard by it.

DuskDaUmbreon3/9/2018, 4:29:21 PM4 votes

You know what'd be more frustrating?

Being completely useless as a jungler because you never get the chance to be ahead.

The only time jungle has a level advantage is when they're fed as fuck or when they hit level 3. If they can't gank then, they're generally fucked.

It won't kill you to play safe until you hit level 3. It also won't kill you to drop a single ward.

OOF Loosebeans3/9/2018, 3:02:04 PM3 votes

But it always has been this way and atm junglers will just be ahead for that one gank Timing afterwards your XP gain will grow faster its just that Clearing 3 camps is pretty fast, and if you would Change anything about could ruin jungle completly. Also this pathing is so old School and predictable that you really shouldnt die to a gank like this. Jungle XP early is strong cause you can take both buffs, its jsut a fact. Also if you deep ward before lvl 1 you can see where the enemy jungle starts predict his pathing and just back off a bit when he could come -> he is wasting time. Any Change to how jungle xp works to slow down early xp would kill early game junglers and weak Clearing junglers.

DracosKasu3/9/2018, 4:04:59 PM3 votes

THe issue isnt from the fact they level up at 3 before you it was alway the case even in the past. The major issue come from jungler who have good subtain and have a smite that can keep them at high hp. If you nerf the jungle too much then you reduce the number of jungle viable in it.

Anatera3/9/2018, 7:59:44 AM2 votes

Nothing that Riot has done so far indicates that they think this is an issue. So yeah, it's annoying.

Catastrophic3/9/2018, 2:47:14 PM2 votes

This is even more ridiculous when you have champs like Nasus , who NEED to be completely F'ed in the A before level 6 for you to be able to do anything against them

stealthfox943/9/2018, 5:38:29 PM1 votes

This doesn't seem to happen that often though.

Rexxiee3/9/2018, 8:35:02 PM1 votes

Junglers need NERFS