@Axes Should Liandry's Torment Receive the Black Cleaver Treatment?
For those who haven't yet seen the PBE notes,
is getting reworked, with a new recipe, modified stats and an improved armor shred. The biggest change here is that it no longer builds from a
, for the following reason:
The Brutalizer is out of the build path because an item with flat armor penetration and stacking percent shred (really, any percent shred or penetration) together just gives you the power to kill everyone - flat armor penetration is best at bursting squishy targets, while percent shred/pen make you better at dealing with the kinds of champions that you'll have to fight for a while to beat.
This means that an item which does both has to be pretty crappy at both jobs, because if it's ever good at either job, its user is automatically good at fighting everyone. An item which only gives one of the two can actually be good at that one thing.
With this in mind, should
receive the same treatment? Although armor and MR work differently in many respects (tanking against magic damage is intentionally more difficult, for example), there are a few issues with Liandry's common to the current Black Cleaver: in terms of stats, the item's extremely underwhelming (50 AP and 300 health on a late-game item is pretty terrible), and its flat magic penetration, which provides a massive boost against squishies (to an even greater degree than the Brutalizer, too, since a lot of champions don't gain MR per level at all), also contradicts with its DoT effect, which is especially effective against tanky opponents. Whereas the Brutalizer will only end up building into a couple of items, Liandry's is literally the only item
can build into, despite the component being better-tuned towards killing squishies. This mismatch also often creates bizarre itemization quirks, where a fed AP burst champion might build a Haunting Guise for more mid-game burst before selling it later on, or upgrade it into Liandry's Torment even against a team full of squishies (
is the biggest offender). Wouldn't it be better to give Liandry's the Black Cleaver treatment, and fully optimize it into a good tank-busting item?
TL;DR: Liandry's Torment has a lot of issues similar to The Black Cleaver, in that it's a mostly underwhelming item that's not particularly well-optimized towards killing squishies or tanks, and consequently isn't that good against either. TBC's impending rework feels like an opportunity to turn Liandry's into a dedicated tank-busting item for AP champions.
and maybe
,
,
, etc. ), so flat magic penetration isn't optimal most of the time when taking those items into consideration.