Nerfing Ashe is not the solution

Wilbor·Jul 17, 2016·9 votes·804 views

I mean, everybody assume that because its ashe turn in the spotlight, she is gonna get nerfed. but what made her that strong to begin with? she wasnt buffed since that little tweak to her q. it was the lucian nerf that made her number 1.

nerfing ashe will just bring sivir to the number 1 spot, or jinx, and then the cycle goes on. maybe buff other adcs (like let's say.. kalista?) instead of nerfing? if you think about it, ashe isn't really op, she's just really good!

if we keep nerfing who's in the spotlight, it will just make another one take that spot and it goes on and on

26 Comments

RabblerouserJul 17, 20165 votes

They didn't just nerf Lucian. Several ADC items saw buffs. Ashe just happens to benefit from a lot of them.

It's still beyond me why they didn't just nerf Black Cleaver's interaction with ranged champs, perhaps making it half as effective when a ranged champ uses it.

lookbehindyuJul 17, 20162 votes

yeah she got 20 extra AD for free which is pretty huge in the long run

blfUvZ8YbuJul 17, 20163 votes

I think nerf to adc items.

BigBellBruteJul 17, 20163 votes

Nerf em all until UrGod is at the top of the list.

warpenguin555Jul 17, 20162 votes

yes pls XD

blfUvZ8YbuJul 17, 20162 votes

Very true.I see Sivir every game.No 1 competitive adc pick.

ModWulf HelhammerJul 17, 20161 votes

Have you even been watching the LCS?

WilborJul 17, 20162 votes

i saw sneaky get quadra with sivir last night =D

blfUvZ8YbuJul 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tiger Pit Viper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ame6Ik74,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-07-17T13:11:24.570+0000)

i saw sneaky get quadra with sivir last night =D

Get rekt.I see Sivir every game.Just a Sivir comp every game.

Sivir every game since patch 6.2.

Sivir every game for 5-6 months.

warpenguin555Jul 17, 20161 votes

dat game 2 before it though. yikes XD

TheHappyLadJul 17, 20162 votes

Except Ashe is actually insanely oppressive right now. It's not even about comparing her to other ADC's; she completely shits on everyone when she gets ahead because the new ER build is insanely OP on her.

ShonjlJul 17, 20161 votes

Ashe isn't even strong. She has no escape so literally any champ that can jump on her can kill her.

What she has to her is control, if no one goes for her or her team protects her well, she will slow and whittle several people down at once. But other than her slows, thats literally what every ADC does.

Besides, I would rather lose to Ashe than see Lucy or Kalista or Vayne in the spotlight again. At least if I lose to Ashe it is mostly due to outplay or you were dumb and she slowed you to death. Kalista and Vayne don't even need damage since they have built in so they can be 0/30 and still be OP as long as a game last about 25 minutes or more, also they just build AS which is vastly cheaper than AD or LS. Kalista moreso since its funny that she can be beaten by just about every ADC easily but all she has to do is press Rend and you lose half your hp since she autod you about 4 times. Lucy was broke due to his dumb BC+Youmuu build which isn't as good anymore so he isn't an issue, but he was annoying due to always having basically double damage all game. He built and hurt just as much as any ADC normally, but he could spam his passive which did 2 shots nonstop.

Ashe just slows you down and pelts you to death with her Q, with possibly using her ult to start or to stop you from escaping. That is all she does. You can still escape her and you know very well if you can take her at just about any stage in the game since you know her damage.

WilborJul 17, 20161 votes

But ashe did that since the first day of league of legends. she always had that slow, she always had that ult, and was never that fotm like now. it's a direct effect from the lucian nerf and the downfall of adcs like kalista. nerfing her (pro players assume that she will get nerfed) is not the solution, thats my point. it will just bring sivir or jhin to that spot. buff other adcs!

Critmaster GarenJul 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tiger Pit Viper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ame6Ik74,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-07-17T10:09:04.650+0000)

and was never that fotm like now.

kidding? she was a top pick in solo que and pro play multiple times over the years.

she was strong since season 1. her perma slow was so op infact that she singlehandedly started the mobility creep in this game.

she got back in and out of the meta in the following years over and over. i remember nerfs to her arrow in season 2 or 3 because it was on an extremely low cooldown and made her a top pick in pro play aswell.

she fell off the face of the earth for a while when more mobile and op adc were released, but the last strong phase i remember was with her rework release. she was nerfed in multiple patches for how strong she was.

I QJul 17, 20161 votes

By the logic of your first sentence that means that if Kog'Maws ultimate one shotted you could say "A zed or any mobile champion can easily kill him! so it doesn't matter!"

JQKAndreiJul 17, 20161 votes

Nerfing Ashe would make less than ZERO sense. Her last change was 10 patches ago, 5 months ago. It's pretty obvious that she is not the problem. And the changes to Adc itemization affect her as much as any other Adc.

If Adc itemization would be that strong then we'd see more Caitlyn Tristana Jinx since they build exactly the same items.

I believe we shall see the return of Kalista Corki sometime soon.

I QJul 17, 20161 votes

Ashe has always been a little strong and her ultimate is something not fit for a ADC. An initiation tool that is cross map and stuns is something that shouldn't be on a character like her and is the reason why she is really good right now. There is also no stopped her volley once it is shot and her Q is a huge auto buff compared to the auto buffs of Varus and other ADCs

Sona x RubickJul 17, 20161 votes

that's how riot deals with their champion, believe me or not they don't care that nerfing isn't the solution. Every time we tell them that nerfing X will make Y better and it will never end but they continue.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 17, 20161 votes

I think Sivir is Riot's special champion because they don't nerf her.Did you see Lucian nerf, Azir nerf, Kalista nerf?

Sivir is immune from nerfs.

WilborJul 17, 20162 votes

why sivir should be nerfed? she's just a really reliable pick. can u tell me that that lucian 100-0 on lvl 6 before nerfs is the same thing? sivir has a safe yet weak laning phase (very low kill potential) that scales really well with crit items into a VERY STRONG late game with devastating teamfight potential. that's what she is good at, teamfights, like you don't pick orianna for her laning phase, u pick her for the teamfights.

sivir is probably in the best state of all adcs, she's strong, has clear weaknesses (range, immobile etc). no flashy 100-0 damage from her, but good reliable dps that scales really well.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tiger Pit Viper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ame6Ik74,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-07-17T14:36:04.495+0000)

why sivir should be nerfed? she's just a really reliable pick. can u tell me that that lucian 100-0 on lvl 6 before nerfs is the same thing? sivir has a safe yet weak laning phase (very low kill potential) that scales really well with crit items into a VERY STRONG late game with devastating teamfight potential. that's what she is good at, teamfights, like you don't pick orianna for her laning phase, u pick her for the teamfights.

sivir is probably in the best state of all adcs, she's strong, has clear weaknesses (range, immobile etc). no flashy 100-0 damage from her, but good reliable dps that scales really well.

I know but Riot admitted recently.They don't nerf Sivir because Sivir gives diversity.

I think that idea is absurdity.Sivir is Azir of mid lane.Riot should accept.

Sivir needs nerfs.Sivir is so safe, late game hypercarry,has big crits, has spellshield (special skill), has ult ms and utility.

WilborJul 17, 20162 votes

late game hypercarry. hmm even if she did turn into that after the w buff, since when late game strength on adc is wrong? this is where ALL of them shine, and to be honest if we take a look at the traditional hypercarries like kog for exp, she can't fight that, late game he has aoe damage that she can only dream of unless her team take him out soon as the fight starts.

you can't really complain about sivir's late game strenth, it's late game. today late game caitlyn can take 70% of ur health bar with her passive+crit.

her early game, as i mention is weak, she has a spellshield, but when it's out, for 20 sec she is in a big risk with that tiny range and lack of damage.

blfUvZ8YbuJul 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tiger Pit Viper,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ame6Ik74,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-17T15:27:55.609+0000)

late game hypercarry. hmm even if she did turn into that after the w buff, since when late game strength on adc is wrong? this is where ALL of them shine, and to be honest if we take a look at the traditional hypercarries like kog for exp, she can't fight that, late game he has aoe damage that she can only dream of unless her team take him out soon as the fight starts.

you can't really complain about sivir's late game strenth, it's late game. today late game caitlyn can take 70% of ur health bar with her passive+crit.

her early game, as i mention is weak, she has a spellshield, but when it's out, for 20 sec she is in a big risk with that tiny range and lack of damage.

Yes but true spellshield brings positive results and wins.

warpenguin555Jul 17, 20161 votes

Can we not buff Kalista. I hate to play against her and be her support.

Sire HippingtonJul 17, 20161 votes

And create a adc-powercreep? Great idea...

Reverting the stupid buffs to ER, IE and Mortal Reminder/Lord Dominik's would already go a long way. Those buffs basically added 20ad to her core built