@Riot Honestly, I don't even think Cinderhulk is the problem

Hello again friends! HateDaddy here, posting on my absolute favorite smurf The Son of ChoGath aka ChoGathsSon (until Cinco De Mayo).

But let's get started...

Lets not hide from the fact: tanks are freakin awesome right now. In fact, I'd go as far as saying they're probably still a bit over the top. In reality, I don't think a bunch needs to be done, this is the most balanced and various in picks/comps this game has been in a very long time. But the fact still remains, tanks are easily the top class currently.

The biggest thing that brought us into the era of our based tank gods is riot buffing the shit out of jungle tank itemization. Prior to that, believe it or not, lane tanks were actually pretty darn decent. Maokai, Mundo, Sion and Gnar (he's a fight/tank hybrid) were the kings of top lane with the occasional AP tops like Lissandra and Rumble (well he's more than occasional). And Irelia, who is a bruiser tanky dps assassin mage wave clearing drain tanking support fighter. So she's kinda tanky too. So make no mistake about it, tanks were already pretty damn good - just not in the jungle.

See, in the jungle, you had Free Win, VIrginia and someone else. Who cares? Free Win is fucking dead, praise thy lord. That was about as far as the 5 AD diversity went in the jungle. Support/Tank junglers had no place. Their early games were strong in ganking but weak in clearing and prone to counterjungling. Their jungle item, the juggernaut enchantment, was also the weakest upgrade for a mid game spike compared to Warrior and Warwickvourer. What does Riot do? They buff the dog shit out of tank itemization for the jungle and kill JuggerNOT because it was not good.

So here we are now, tanks dominating, ravaging our villages and stealing our women. Is cinderhulk the problem? Kinda, just like RG getting mega buffed compounded this. But I truly believe Cinderhulk Hogan might just be okay, brothers. Whatchu gonna do when the Cinderhulk runs wild on you?? Anyway, back on topic, I think the real issue here is Skirmishing Sabre. I mean, look at this fucking thing: it's so broken, people are taking smite in top lane just to get this because it's a huge tank and damage item in one. The challenging smite gives you increased damage as well as reducing the damage the smited foe does to you by 20%. Holy shit. HOLY FUCK. It's a fucking exhaust, Irelia W and ChoGath feast package in one. I have to believe this is moreso a violater of balance than just Cinderhulk Hogan at this point. I think on its own, Cinderhulk is probably fine.

And consider this friends, Riot just buffed the shit out of Botrk and nerfed RG. I really think the HP stacking going on is going to take a small step because of this but it might not, who knows? What I think you should be paying attention to this patch riot is how often challenging smite is being taken both in the jungle and top lane. Look at nerfing or changing that, then use the next patch to determine if Cinderhulk and the tanky Junglers are still a problem and if so, nerf accordingly.

That is all for now friends.