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Please explain this to me Riot.

Spookÿ··1 votes·510 views
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Someone wanna tell me why Full tank thresh and Full tank Cho gath have most kills on team? Does anyone else ever stop and think that tanks in this meta could literally 1v1 a carry? If you saw LCS this past weekend, you would probably have seen a Rek'sai tunnel over to a TF and LITERALLY 3 SHOT THE DUDE. In what way should I go about playing your game now that doesn't require me to build tank. Becuase the way I see it is, sooner or later even ADC will be building 2 tank items just to not die to the tanks themselves. In utter disbelief at the state of the game right now. You might also notice too that my Nautilus has the most kills on our team other than me in this specific game as well. Why are tanks at the point where they are the ones who are: 1) Not dying 2) Being the killers and 3) being allowed to do it with no punishment whatsoever. If you build tank, you should be unkillable, but at the same time be unable to kill people instantly. Being a glass cannon is tough because of an ADC that could kill you or the enemy glass cannon. But when there are 4 tanks on the enemy team (Top,Jg,Mid, and Sup) and a carry, why should that team automatically win.

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Connoriam1 votes

Showing a screen shot of two tanks having lots of kills doesn't allow anyone to sympathize with you. How do we know they weren't last hitting? Thresh is fun for me to play, and when I do I never have the damage to 1v1 a carry, and when I play Cho'gath (I don't anymore he's super boring ResidentSleeper) I never have the damage to 1v1 a carry either, Unless I land every ability on someone with these tanks, I cant kill them, and I'm kited by the carry. Tanks are made to take damage, not dish out damage. Lots of tanks in the game dish out more than they should, but most tanks don't deal damage to 1v1 a carry that knows what they are doing, and has at least one defensive items. No one should ever build 5 damage items and boots, It just isn't good.

Spookÿ1 votes

But that is my point. Do you think this game would be enjoyable if EVERYONE had 2.5k hp at least and teamfights lasted 5 minutes because noone would die? No, it wouldn't. And also about the last hit thing. The thresh was top lane. And he solo killed my top laner at least 3 times, and under tower a couple of them I was watching. Here is the way it works since I'm guessing you are bronze: Tank means you have health and cant be hit. If im hitting you and you arent dying, but you are hitting me back, you will kill me faster because in the time it takes me to take ALL of your health down, you have already killed me with your insanely high base damage and tank stats that make it harder to kill you. So how enjoyable would it be if I build tank and you build tank and we just smack each other.. That is literally top lane xD and that shit is the most boring thing you can get

Connoriam1 votes

No I don't. Tank's should never be 1v1'ing carries, though. The carries have a team that needs to be helping them, and keeping them safe, and your team has tanks too, just as strong as the enemies tanks, and if your team doesn't, that is a poor champion select, and not a game design flaw. Also, just because you are hitting a tank and they aren't dying, doesn't mean it isn't good. If you played a tank and you engaged super well and got 1 shot with full tank, you would probably never play tanks again because of how weak they are, tanks are fun just because you can take lots of hits while your team is hitting, that's literally their purpose, if not being able to kill them is your problem, you need to find a different one.

Spookÿ1 votes

If you have ever played against a Malphite, Wukong, or Garen, you would know what im talking about. If you have never been solo killed by one of those, then you are a giant pussy and probably sit in base 24/7 or run it down mid.

Connoriam1 votes

OR... I know how to keep my distance and have enough reaction time to survive. And Wukong isn't a tank, he goes in and kills lots of people to probably die doing it, malphite goes in to let his team kill everyone and take the enemies load while his team takes out the enemy. Garen is.. something else... He's a stupid champion in my opinion. Not effective at anything other than being obnoxious.

Spookÿ1 votes

Ok. Well I appreciate your advice, but based on your match history i'd wager you are a support main. and as a support main im sure you wouldn't really notice if tanks are balanced or not because you are one yourself most of the time. I don't think you realize how influential tanks are in this meta. Ive been 100--->0 by full tanks plenty of times because they build Gauntlet or Rylais and slow me long enough to get on top of me and then just insta kill me. maybe if I want to start winning i should just play like a total pussy and never try to kill a squishy because every time i try that, tank jumps me and 1 shots me.

Connoriam1 votes

Killing squishies isn't as straight forward as you think, most team fights are decided on who can kill the enemies tanks faster, and if you kill the enemy tanks, you can kill their squishies. unless you are made to dive back lines and kill carries, then you shouldn't complain about tanks stopping you from doing the job you think you have.

Spookÿ1 votes

That makes sense, but im not talking about team fights. Im talking about laning or just all around map movement. If you get caught out by the tank, they kill you. Im not talking about like, "You walk into their jungle and while low from stealing buffs, they happen to pass by and finish you off" im talking about like, straight up they walk solo into you and just boom kill you. I can't count on all my fingers and toes the amount of times ive been killed by a full tank in a 1v1 because there is no way for me to get out.

Connoriam1 votes

Then the sad answer is champions with more mobility and build resistances, tanks do damage to squishies, because they normally build 5 damage items and boots, the key is to build at least one defensive item to survive the tank's damage, and if that isn't the problem, like you said "there is no way for me to get out" then you need a quicksilver sash to escape what they have to keep you from running. I see your point though, and I'm not here to sound like a douche bag, I have the same problem, my point is that there is counter play you just have to find it. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Spookÿ1 votes

Okay. I am much more satisfied with that answer. I respect your information. Just a frustrating experience having to build defense on everyone. I have always been a firm believer in bursty assassins and mages being strong, I guess If i'm going to play the game I have to realize that the meta changes and currently we are in the one that requires everyone to be slightly tanky. Fuck the game for that but I will have to live with it for now. :/

Connoriam1 votes

Slightly tanky isn't always bad though, it gets bad once everyone buids more than one item of the same resist Basically I'm saying that if everyone in a game had two armor items, or two magic resist items etc then that is when the tank meta is out of hand and in my opinion unfun. But yea, I don't want everyone having to build slightly tanky, but sadly that's how it is in this cruel world of Runeterra.

Support Bοt1 votes

Tanks without a true dmg or anything that boost % dmg of them will do nothin to you. The real problem are not tanks. The real problem are juggernauts and fighters. They have shitons of dmg and tons of survi.

Umio1 votes

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Someone wanna tell me why Full tank thresh and Full tank Cho gath have most kills on team? Does anyone else ever stop and think that tanks in this meta could literally 1v1 a carry? If you saw LCS this past weekend, you would probably have seen a Rek'sai tunnel over to a TF and LITERALLY 3 SHOT THE DUDE. In what way should I go about playing your game now that doesn't require me to build tank. Becuase the way I see it is, sooner or later even ADC will be building 2 tank items just to not die to the tanks themselves. In utter disbelief at the state of the game right now. You might also notice too that my Nautilus has the most kills on our team other than me in this specific game as well. Why are tanks at the point where they are the ones who are: 1) Not dying 2) Being the killers and 3) being allowed to do it with no punishment whatsoever. If you build tank, you should be unkillable, but at the same time be unable to kill people instantly. Being a glass cannon is tough because of an ADC that could kill you or the enemy glass cannon. But when there are 4 tanks on the enemy team (Top,Jg,Mid, and Sup) and a carry, why should that team automatically win.

If there are 4 tank on the enemy team, that means you PICK vayne as your ADC. period. Thats why shes in the game. 2nd to that you take twitch.

Ask your team to build as tanky as possible.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

I got two answers for you:

First: Edit the image and remove the names of the players, as posting names like this is not allowed in the boards, as far as I remember, so you won't get into trouble.

Second: The game is in a state where a 3.5K HP champion can duel and destroy a carry that has half their HP and that can only build damage items. This meta has been promoted by Riot ever since the introduction of Cinderhulk last year, and they don't seem to care, so it's what we got.

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