So these Sona Stat changes on the PBE

Rinky Dinky··35 votes·3,196 views
1/27 PBE Update

Sona Base HP increased to 497.6 from 482.36 HP Per Level decreased to 70 from 77 Base attack damage increased to 52.04 from 50.04 Movement Speed increased to 330 from 325 Base mana regen reduced to 1.6184 from 1.8 Mana regen per second per level increased .13 from .08

So you are going to make sona even MORE SQUISHY after level 4.

That is just another nerf. Sorry but 15.24 extra health at level one is not going to help anything. That gets even worse until you hit level four, WHERE YOU HAVE LESS HEALTH THAN NOW.

This is going to make her laning even worse than it is currently. Sona is god-awful in lane right now against 90% of the supp role. during levels 1-5.

All you can do in most match up's is q farm with spellthiefs. You do negative damage and get 5 gold for it. She used to be able to move in, combo, and get out, but the movement speed nerf made that stupidly hard, and you have to hope the enemy supp cant land skillshots. You aint gonna be dodging.

The movement speed is being returned, but now she will be squishier when she is SUPPOSED to gain presence. Very counter productive. This scales awful into lategame btw. The amount of health she loses compared to live is about 100 hp. That might not seem like alot, but that is the difference between that AOE you had to tank because you have to get into stupid ranges to help your teammates oneshotting you or not.

Now the mana changes are actually increasing her regens around level 4-5, this debatable a buff. Her first few levels are going to be even more Awful.

The Auto damage increase and Movement speed increase are the ONLY 100% buffs. One of which we already had, so it imo, does not count.

That is one, maybe two buffs counting the mana regen.

The nerfs to her hp are insane, and I really dont understand why you guys insist on Sona not being able to do her job.

100 hp nerf to her lategame, so we can have 15 extra hp at level one? How is that fair?

Now, I can only assume more changes are in the works, so I will not pass judgement on this yet. However, if this is it, then you guys will have continued to make Sona even worse, and will frankly have really disappointed me.

These alone will not fix her problems. I await the finished product, which SHOULD SHIP AT THE SAME TIME AS THESE CHANGES.

If not, then I can only wallow in pity for the gutting of my favorite champion.

50 Comments

PentaJump11 votes

She's getting more mana regen though. That's significant, I think, considering her mana issues.

Junkο1 votes

that are non existant once you get a Chalice

Meep Man1 votes

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that are non existant once you get a Chalice

Well the HP per level changes are negated with one health item worth 400G. You always get a health item as Sona anyways.

gameipedia5 votes

not everyone gets chalice, I personally never get its really not it on almost if not all of my supports, dont know why everyone thinks its the best item ever and all ap supports need it

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

It's build's into crucible, which is a top tier support item. (just below sightstone)

2 much sauuuce2 votes

You even use chalice lately? It sucks.

Junkο2 votes

Morellonomicon isn't good on Sona, and Chalice builds into Crubicle which is a really strong support item

Solaxo1 votes

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You even use chalice lately? It sucks.

Like you have any alternatives as Sona..

Luna Loves Lulu1 votes

If you're support, you won't be getting that Chalice any time soon enough to matter.

Junkο1 votes

My friend gets it on his first back always

Luna Loves Lulu1 votes

Hmm... I usually get Sightstone first, then build the supp starter item, but I'll try going chalice, thanks!

Vesarixx1 votes

Might want to try tear instead, the larger mana pool helps more since the changes I find, plus you get a pretty nice AP boost if you turn it into item 3003

Vesarixx1 votes

not since the chalice nerfs

Junkο1 votes

If you don't spam your spells like an idiot then Chalice is perfectly okay. I constantly play with a friend bot lane who plays Sona, and he never really runs out of mana even before getting Chalice.

Vesarixx1 votes

There is a difference between mana being manageable and mana problems being over, and spell spamming is kind of a big deal given how her kit works, since you want to have those buffs applied as much as possible during team fights and also have your team healed up during sieges, the mana buffs are helpful and chalice does lose out to some other mana regen items, unless you need item 3222 it's not the automatic go to anymore.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

I agree, but her early levels, where she is weakest, are going to be even worse.

Her heal already runs her oom after just a few casts, now It will be even less.

Meaning less sustain, meaning a horrid laning phase.

Zakennayo9 votes

Now..

Buff her QWER damage, and range, lower mana cost, larger mana pool, and more tankyness!

Oh I just mentioned EVERY OTHER FUCKING SUPPORT IN THE FUCKING GAME.

Shit even Nami can do what she does, but better. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT JUSTIFIED!

Pyrocerebus4 votes

ok I know I'm going to get down voted to the 7th ring of internet hell and I really don't wanna sound toxic BUT FOR GODS SAKE CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT SONA YOU WANT A BUFF THEY GIVE IT TO YOU AND THEN AFTER THE BUFF YOU COMPLAIN ITS NOT ENOUGH LETS LOOK AT SONA'S WIN RATE SHALL WE (YES I know win rate isn't everything) about 48.80 WHICH IS HEALTHY WHEN WILL YOU SONA PLAYERS BE HAPPY AFTER THEY GUT EVERY OTHER SUPPORT CAUSE THAT WHAT IT SEEMS I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HATE ME BUT PLEASE WHAT WILL YOU MAKE YOU HAPPY ?!?!?!?!!

TheGrandAlliance4 votes

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ok I know I'm going to get down voted to the 7th ring of internet hell and I really don't wanna sound toxic BUT FOR GODS SAKE CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT SONA YOU WANT A BUFF THEY GIVE IT TO YOU AND THEN AFTER THE BUFF YOU COMPLAIN ITS NOT ENOUGH LETS LOOK AT SONA'S WIN RATE SHALL WE (YES I know win rate isn't everything) about 48.80 WHICH IS HEALTHY WHEN WILL YOU SONA PLAYERS BE HAPPY AFTER THEY GUT EVERY OTHER SUPPORT CAUSE THAT WHAT IT SEEMS I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HATE ME BUT PLEASE WHAT WILL YOU MAKE YOU HAPPY ?!?!?!?!!

Sona's winrate in LCS is?....... O wait nobody uses her.

All we are asking is a RESET of Sona not a buff.

Pyrocerebus1 votes

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Sona's winrate in LCS is?....... O wait nobody uses her.

All we are asking is a RESET of Sona not a buff.

I feel that the sona reason shes not being used in lcs is because other supps likeThresh go unchanged and I feel that is a problem and also LCS doesn't mean all of the LoL community

TheGrandAlliance1 votes

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I feel that the sona reason shes not being used in lcs is because other supps likeThresh go unchanged and I feel that is a problem and also LCS doesn't mean all of the LoL community

WEll as far as RIOT appears to go LCS==the community.

I mean they still call it a Sport after all....

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

If we're talking about high level play, they probably will never use Sona so lang as Nami has 90% of her kit, but better.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Not every champion is going to be played in the lcs. I dislike that argument.

Riven is a VERY strong champion. By lcs pick logic, she needs buffs.

Just my two cents :P

Sona on the otherhand can easily be viewed as horrid just looking at her numbers and abilities.

I should not HAVE to build straight AP to do my job as a supp.

DatPikachuTho1 votes

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Sona's winrate in LCS is?....... O wait nobody uses her.

Who cares about her win rate in the LCS? The LCS is made up of 100 players (plus alternates), compared to the millions that play the game. Their win rates don't matter.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

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ok I know I'm going to get down voted to the 7th ring of internet hell and I really don't wanna sound toxic BUT FOR GODS SAKE CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT SONA YOU WANT A BUFF THEY GIVE IT TO YOU AND THEN AFTER THE BUFF YOU COMPLAIN ITS NOT ENOUGH LETS LOOK AT SONA'S WIN RATE SHALL WE (YES I know win rate isn't everything) about 48.80 WHICH IS HEALTHY WHEN WILL YOU SONA PLAYERS BE HAPPY AFTER THEY GUT EVERY OTHER SUPPORT CAUSE THAT WHAT IT SEEMS I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HATE ME BUT PLEASE WHAT WILL YOU MAKE YOU HAPPY ?!?!?!?!!

you have to be a moron to think this is a buff in any way, the only thing i could say it's a minor buff is to her late game mana regen and that's only because of the way regen items work now days. She is squishier after lvl 3 and the ms "buff" is just a revert to a nerf they did literally last patch so that doesn't count. The only thing that can be said is a buff is her base AD and it's not even saying much since well... it doesn't do much if anything. I don't care about giant buffs or anything like that, i want her W and E to be actually useful for once. Her heal is horrible and the shield is a joke and i wouldn't mind as much if it wasn't for the horrendous mana costs attached to such a weak heal/shield. Then you have E that is only useful for Sona herself and not her allies. Riot has so many ways to mess around with Sona so her early game isn't "omfg stahp!!!!!" but instead of fixing her they just keep nerfing her over and over until they run out of things to nerf and go after the other aspects of her kit and "fix" her and still wonder why no one uses her even though they left her with nothing at all but an ult

Pyrocerebus1 votes

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you have to be a moron to think this is a buff in any way, the only thing i could say it's a minor buff is to her late game mana regen and that's only because of the way regen items work now days. She is squishier after lvl 3 and the ms "buff" is just a revert to a nerf they did literally last patch so that doesn't count. The only thing that can be said is a buff is her base AD and it's not even saying much since well... it doesn't do much if anything. I don't care about giant buffs or anything like that, i want her W and E to be actually useful for once. Her heal is horrible and the shield is a joke and i wouldn't mind as much if it wasn't for the horrendous mana costs attached to such a weak heal/shield. Then you have E that is only useful for Sona herself and not her allies. Riot has so many ways to mess around with Sona so her early game isn't "omfg stahp!!!!!" but instead of fixing her they just keep nerfing her over and over until they run out of things to nerf and go after the other aspects of her kit and "fix" her and still wonder why no one uses her even though they left her with nothing at all but an ult

you're post is a contradiction you say that you have to be a moron to think this is a buff but you still say its a buff in a minor way I'm fine if you disagree just be clear on what you're saying

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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you're post is a contradiction you say that you have to be a moron to think this is a buff but you still say its a buff in a minor way I'm fine if you disagree just be clear on what you're saying

as a whole this is not a buff the AD and regen can be seen as a buff and one of them is only because of the way regen items work and the AD "buff" like i said isn't going to do much if anything and what do we get in return? her being squishier after lvl 3 and a revert to a nerf done to the last patch that i do not count at all as a buff and more as a "welp this didn't work at all" change. As a whole this is a nerf since i don't care about mana regen late game where i already have more than enough regen through items and runes+masteries and what would a little base AD do for me? this doesn't fix any of Sona's issues nor even tries at fixing them. So yeah, i stick by what i said, you have to be a moron to think this is a buff in any way because it isn't

Pyrocerebus1 votes

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as a whole this is not a buff the AD and regen can be seen as a buff and one of them is only because of the way regen items work and the AD "buff" like i said isn't going to do much if anything and what do we get in return? her being squishier after lvl 3 and a revert to a nerf done to the last patch that i do not count at all as a buff and more as a "welp this didn't work at all" change. As a whole this is a nerf since i don't care about mana regen late game where i already have more than enough regen through items and runes+masteries and what would a little base AD do for me? this doesn't fix any of Sona's issues nor even tries at fixing them. So yeah, i stick by what i said, you have to be a moron to think this is a buff in any way because it isn't

I disagree because its an increase to her dealing damage which is still a buff and with the aforementioned alterations to her mana regen you can change you're runes and masteries to further increase her strength in game such as sustainability and overall health but the more I think about it I see that these changes aren't going to fix all of her problems BUT I also feel this is good start but I disagree with people saying that this is more of a nerf than a buff so I will not retract my statement

ZephyrDrake3 votes

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I disagree because its an increase to her dealing damage which is still a buff and with the aforementioned alterations to her mana regen you can change you're runes and masteries to further increase her strength in game such as sustainability and overall health but the more I think about it I see that these changes aren't going to fix all of her problems BUT I also feel this is good start but I disagree with people saying that this is more of a nerf than a buff so I will not retract my statement

yeah that whole 2 extra AD is sure to give her enough damage to do stuff... damage she doesn't care for since all of her damage comes from her passive and her Q and enchanced Q autos not her regular autos. The mana regen "buff" is too little when it does start kicking in and to late when it does become marginally useful and her early game mana regen suffers so if anything it just pushes you to use even more of your runes and masteries to fit that gap of early mana regen you don't have. It's fine if you think this is a buff, but coming from someone who mains Sona i know this isn't one and doesn't even attempt to fix the issues and is just another means of punishing her early game even more while giving her a negligible (almost laughable) better late game in terms of power at the cost of her being even more vulnerable.

TheGrandAlliance2 votes

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you have to be a moron to think this is a buff in any way, the only thing i could say it's a minor buff is to her late game mana regen and that's only because of the way regen items work now days. She is squishier after lvl 3 and the ms "buff" is just a revert to a nerf they did literally last patch so that doesn't count. The only thing that can be said is a buff is her base AD and it's not even saying much since well... it doesn't do much if anything. I don't care about giant buffs or anything like that, i want her W and E to be actually useful for once. Her heal is horrible and the shield is a joke and i wouldn't mind as much if it wasn't for the horrendous mana costs attached to such a weak heal/shield. Then you have E that is only useful for Sona herself and not her allies. Riot has so many ways to mess around with Sona so her early game isn't "omfg stahp!!!!!" but instead of fixing her they just keep nerfing her over and over until they run out of things to nerf and go after the other aspects of her kit and "fix" her and still wonder why no one uses her even though they left her with nothing at all but an ult

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Gunpoint3 votes

Just stop. Sona is fine.

TheGrandAlliance9 votes

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Just stop. Sona is fine.

Says the one who doesn't use Sona.

TheGrandAlliance3 votes

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Sona Base HP increased to 497.6 from 482.36 HP Per Level decreased to 70 from 77 Base attack damage increased to 52.04 from 50.04 Movement Speed increased to 330 from 325 Base mana regen reduced to 1.6184 from 1.8 Mana regen per second per level increased .13 from .08

So you are going to make sona even MORE SQUISHY after level 4.

  1. Movement Speed change... I guess the nerf in 5.1 didn't work out.
  2. Sona already burns tons of mana 1-6 even with mana regen quiint. Now she will burn out even faster. Even if AD is increases... SONA isn't ADC and having fewer power cords==negate AD increase.

Lol must say RIOT is on a Sona /jihad for some reason....

Ahri AHKBAR!

sungold2 votes

these Sona Stat changes on the PBE means that sona will get a new skin ^^

Celeste Benal2 votes

I think these changes are in line.

X Frady2 votes

I miss the old Sona, the pre-destruction one, the one I fell in love with in 2012, where she could make any adc player love me and her for what she'd done and not being hated now because someone will think I troll picked when I use her.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

You should have played Karma. The dodges, afk's, and trolling was nuts. . . . Assuming they even knew who she was.

Everglaid2 votes

I think the increase to her base AD gives her more of a reason to build lichbane- *which in turn *makes her want to build more ap, *which also *makes her squishier. Again. I get it riot, squishy Sona is what you want.

Alpharite2 votes

Sona? Is that a new champion?

I think they should buff Thresh instead.

Luna Loves Lulu2 votes

Riot saw me win a game in ARAM as Sona last night, so they decided the last nerfs weren't good enough.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

Keep in mind how base stats work now. This might be a bigger/smaller buff/nerf at certain levels, although I don't specifically remember how much each level gets.

ZephyrDrake7 votes

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Keep in mind how base stats work now. This might be a bigger/smaller buff/nerf at certain levels, although I don't specifically remember how much each level gets.

except that the notes themselves say how much hp per lvl and how much mana regen per lvl will be. Sona is losing 111 HP by lvl 18 with the extra 15 HP she gets at lvl 1 being negated by as soon as lvl 3. Mana regen is a mess but it's safe to assume that early lvls she will have less and late game she will have more. Which leaves her AD and MS and one of them is a revert of a last nerf so i'm not counting that one. Will that 2 base AD be enough to warrant her being even squishier? i don't think so and the extra mana regen doesn't even seem to be that significant either

Jungle Lux God1 votes

By changes I mean the changes a while back where you get a % of the stat each level. 70 HP/level is not calculated now as "you get exactly 70 HP/level" but as "you get about 70 HP/level, but it fluctuates depending on the level".

Tin Tarantino1 votes

I'm too happy about the mana per second per level buff and the return of her movement speed to get too upset about the health, Sona has always been made of paper so a little less health I can deal with. The auto attack damage buff is a step in the right direction too for making her harass less binary.

Xela Syab1 votes

I really think Riot isn't nerfing her in the right places, but then again they want her to be a poke champ they are just nerfing everything around her safe poke issue.

2 much sauuuce1 votes

If they keep this up I am going to start a petition asking for a "Nerf Sona" skin... complete with plenty of Nerf equipment...

Toothless Lion1 votes

top lel get rekt sona players

Rinky Dinky1 votes

g00by pls ;-;

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