I'd like thoughts on how to counter heavy pushing picks (i.e. Heimerdinger with Zz'Rot) with either champions and items.
I didn't have access to the PBE, and I've not played since the release of the item much.
My first thought would be to take Alistar, since he is a fairly decent pusher with moderate to high sustain in lane. By the time anyone would have a Portal, his Q would be leveled to the point of being able to clear with Q + duration of trample.
darkdill2 votesDunno about counters, per se, but getting Zzrot Portal on Leona is AWESOME. Her Eclipse boosts the baneling damage so much.
Blue Collar Bear1 votesI can imagine. I think Zz'Rot on Shyvana would be pretty broken, because of her passive. It just scales so lovely. She would push increasingly well.
To be honest, I think that anyone with an aoe ability with high base damage could counter pushing. All you need is a Tiamat.
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I can imagine. I think Zz'Rot on Shyvana would be pretty broken, because of her passive. It just scales so lovely. She would push increasingly well.
To be honest, I think that anyone with an aoe ability with high base damage could counter pushing. All you need is a Tiamat.
Keep in mind that ZZ'rots Portal works better when you build Tank. It was meant for tanks and scales with armor and MR. My guess is that shyvana would have enough pushing power without ZZ'rots' to not significantly benefit her.
Because of it's utility, Some Junglers or support may take interest when multiple objectives come into play. I don't usually think of ZZ'rot's portal as a fire and forget mechanism. But you could set up a Portal near tower, then prep for Dragon. The enemy Could likely lose tower if someone does not take care of the portal and yet it they could also be unable to contest Dragon if they defer resources to counter the Portal.
Blue Collar Bear1 votesThose are very good points.
I was simply thinking of synchronizations. Shyvana, in my experience, usually builds tanky right off the bat and has trouble taking towers.
AnOstrichWithPMS1 votesyou mean me?
edit : also alistar sounds like someone who would GET zzrot xD
Blue Collar Bear1 votesMean who?
Perhaps, but I play Alistar differently.
InvalidGuest1 votes
doesn't seem like a bad idea. Lots of waveclear to counter push and once he grabs some spellvamp can sustain through the Donger's poke along with his passive shield.
Blue Collar Bear1 votesMordekaiser seems like one of the best picks so far!
Leti the Yeti1 votesalistar is a split pusher? ;l
Blue Collar Bear1 votesNot a split pusher. He is not a great 1v1, unless he is built AD.
What I meant was someone who can keep their tower against a strong pusher with Zz'Rot.
GFSnl1 votesWould be nice on Twisted Fate.
Blue Collar Bear1 votesImagine jungle Twisted Fate.
You teleport to a lane, gank, proceed to totally own the turret.