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Apparently League of Legends is a competitive game

Sona x Rubick··14 votes·2,061 views

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/21335235 And this is where Riot or whoever said this never was that funny to make me laugh.

League is a competitive game, but somehow we're not balancing the game around high elo, we're balancing the game around plat5 above (according to riot).

Sure, why not. Let's balance the game around plat and above, and here "top win rate are mostly melees and not ranged", while making it unplayable for those playing in master+above. Unplayable unless you play a ranged champ top/mage mid and enjoy the fun of getting bullied+being almost useless in teamfight due to how behind you were. Wow, i mean why isn't it fun? to be forced to play riven/irelia/poppy because Kayle Gnar Gangplank Rumble Kennen Jayce are going to destroy the shit out of you. Or because Ryze Orianna Syndra Cassiopeia item 3116 are going to give you so much fun trying to do shit around. And what's the worst? The worst is that riot ain't goanna do anything about that, Tell me that i'm wrong when riot: -is buffing every ranged in the game with the new masteries -doesn't do anything about doran's shield -putting plants in the game which again imbalances range vs melee

  • turns Fizz Talon Khazix Akali into skirmishers, not because of balance but because of frustration when ADC are frustrating since 7 years in high elo because they know what they're doing. -item 3116took months of debate to know that it isn't fine, and yet no nerfs on pbe -Mordekaiser destroying adc in botlane isn't fine, yet Gnar hardcountering every non-irelia melee is fine, even if riot hates

"But Rubick, why should we care about high elo? people in diamond 1/master above are 0.0000000001% of league population"

so what m8? you're telling me that they have to adapt to low elo, and become trash to get a good balance? Because if yes, then i just want riot to tell me that. Tell me that we don't care about high elo, that high elo have to be as terrible as low elo if they want a fun game, tell me that we only care about casual players that don't want to get as good as high elo players, and that This game isn't a competitive game and i'll be gone from master, only creating smurfs to destroy low elos to get fun. because right now i can't have fun if i can't do anything by playing Darius Renekton +any non-trash melee toplaner in the game.

43 Comments

Best princess EU10 votes

according to your name you're also a dotA2 player

let me tell you this. DotA2 balances the game around high mmr/competition, and it isn't working well.

Sure they have an almost perfect balance because of this But valve isn't making a lot of money because of it, DotA becomes too hard for new players getting one-shot by lion/lina and don't buy BKB. This is the reason they have around 10 million player

Riot only has League, if they do what you say they're going to lose too many players that are going to QQ on Yasuo Zed
How do you expect them to make money if they do this?

Sona x Rubick5 votes

You may be right, but:

the more your competition is balanced the more you attract pro players, and the more you attract viewers and this is a way to make money i never watch lcs, i never watch world, but there isn't a single dota pro game that i miss, because of how fun it is to watch

Catastrop2 votes

I have to agree with the reasoning here to some extent, despite not having played DotA2 in ages, I still drop by DotACinema to watch the top plays or check out some Purge/Dendi's games because it's pretty fun watching the plays being made in those games.

Sona x Rubick3 votes

i still watch league videos like uberdanger because it's fun but i don't watch this bullshit lcs/world where the 30 picks are always the same. The only surprise pick we had this year was MissFortune support. In TI a pro-team played Axe ADC, a bruiser/tank as an ADC, did you see someone playing Darius ADC in world?

Poske1 votes

I think dota2 is less popular because It came out after league

Turn rates are disgusting Controls are hard for no reason Dota2 player ll tell you that the game is hard yet controls are just fking retarded Wtf Is counterplay in dota2

Meep Man1 votes

Turn rates are disgusting

This is an opinion, so it likely won't change.

Controls are hard for no reason Dota2 player ll tell you that the game is hard yet controls are just fking retarded

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Wtf Is counterplay in dota2

In Dota 2, everyone is OP so that no one can never be played. Therefore, everyone is balanced. The win rates are usually based on how easy the character is to play and how much they take advantage of bad players. Also, counter play is items, wards, and situational awareness. Information is invaluable in Dota 2.

Poske1 votes

Turn rates are either hated or loved. I just think that turnrates make the game to clunky. To the point where some people think its a lag

Gameplay clarity. Clarity in general. Controls are huge clusterfk to the point where pressing space randomly fks up your entire screen and I am used to press it cuz its great in league. Everything is unclear about dota2 rather then complex

Counterplay has nothing to do if champion is op. Dota2 DOESNT GIVE A FK ABOUT counterplay The fact that some stuff only has counterplay if you buy an item is something which would never be tolerated in league

Having said all that I like the fact that dota2 balances around high elo

Meep Man1 votes

Dota 2 has less money because they don't charge for 75% of the things LoL charges for and they have less players because the learning curve is high, but the game actually becomes a ton more balanced once you learn the game. Pudge becomes a trick, Riki and Bounty Hunter become manageable and why they can be strong is not due to long duration invisibility (actually sometimes becoming a hindrance), and Phantom Assassin is countered by "Oh wait, MKB or just have a Nuker on the team".

Nobody11117 votes

If they balance around competitive people will complain (riot cares only about $$ and doesn't care about the players), if they balance against low elo, people will complain. like you just did

either way, people will rage. riot instead tries to juggle the balls and find some sort of semi balance, which most of the time just makes both sides angry because they aren't being catered exclusively when it comes to balance

Sona x Rubick6 votes

{quoted}

If they balance around competitive people will complain (riot cares only about $$ and doesn't care about the players), if they balance against low elo, people will complain. like you just did

Low elo can complain, but they also can become good at the game to get a better balance High elo can't become trash at the game to get a better balance, or what's the point of playing league?

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Ironically they didn't have much of a problem balancing before they got obsessed with 'pro' games, though back then their player base just wanted to have fun too and didn't care about rank.

Beyond Legends1 votes

No balancing have always been pretty bad. Old ap Yi or Ap Tris were complete and utter cancer to dea with back in the day. I remeber people complaing about elo hell and stuff. I think people are angry or burned out from all the time they spend playing.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/b1UAVuBF-riot-remember-what-you-said-when-you-nerfed-sejuani-and-cinderhulk?comment=0002

Back then riot nerfed kits where it mattered, and they didn't let it be oppressive for months on end.

Bruised Ego6 votes

Preach it brother. I'm sick of only ranged champions in the top lane. We need some diversity.

BTW what did you mean when you talked about the new masteries making ranged champs even stronger? I haven't had a chance to check out the season 7 masteries.

Sona x Rubick6 votes

new masteries?

blood bullshit: gives you 10+1 dmg/lvl on your next AA. 6 seconds cd goodluck laning against ranged

an other bullshit: walking into a bush makes your next AA dealing 3% of enemy current hp yeah, more fun thanks riot

FourVsFive5 votes

if low elo getting destoryed by specific champs, that means they will have to learn about counters and how to play around champs, making them better players. I know Soraka could use some love, her nerf needed something to compensate but you will never see her ever in high level play tournaments for a reason.

Sona x Rubick3 votes

that's what i'm trying to say in this thread, every single game of jhin i get EC against soraka, and never lost

yet riot nerfed soraka because people couldn't buy this item.

zrWQMdGHtY4 votes

Oh please... high elo arent 0.00000001%... just because 70% of the community is level 1 to Plat V, doesn't mean they are actually live players... go check the bot games... 95% of the players there are bots... literally old AI bots vs new AI bots... A huge chunk of the community is either bots or perma banned rich boys who buy the bots when they hit level 30... The game isn't balanced over plat +, it's balanced around Bronze - Silver, because the majority of Gold-Diamond 5, are boosted by ppl in masters/challengers or Dia 1-2... If the Account buyers and bots are removed perma... the really really high elo might even turn out to be a good solid 10-15% of the community...

Incoming comments like "Give proof of your claims"... Why should I give you proof? Are you too small to just make a new account and try playing bot games for 1-2 days? You'll see old AI bots vs new AI bots... And no that aint newbies, newbies got a brain this thing doesn't... You want proof about account buyers? Ebay FTW, go check it... There's other websites and forums who do the same... Don't believe me? Then you never tried to find some... Now you'll go claiming I buy accs right? Nah... Every time I level it up on my own, no matter how annoyed I am from the meaningless perma ban... And I know that scripts and accounts are sold because I had to sell me Lineage 2 account, the same forum I did that literally sells LoL scripts for 20-30 bucks a month fee and accounts from Gold 5 to diamond 5., with prices from 20 to 200 bucks... I reported that website to riot support over 100 times and it's still doing it...

So do enjoy.. The balancing will never be based on the actual players, it's going to stay on the majority of the community, the rich boys buying new shiny plat ect accounts...

Cheers. Awaiting for my 100 downvotes. <3

Poske4 votes

I wish League was balanced at around High elo not this platinum dogshit

Sahn Uzal3 votes

I don't think Riot should completely ignore low elo. If you buff shit like Garen or XinZhao to work in High ELO, they'll go bat shit crazy in Low ELO, making the new player experience even worse :l I do agree with other points though.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-29T10:38:18.253+0000)

I don't think Riot should completely ignore low elo. If you buff shit like Garen or XinZhao to work in High ELO, they'll go bat shit crazy in Low ELO, making the new player experience even worse :l I do agree with other points though.

this isnt true anymore since the juggernaut rework.

garens winrate in high and low divisions has been almost the same since then. like 1% or 2% more in bronze/silver than plat/diamond. but thats literally it.

there is no reason these champions cant be buffed to be decent in higher divisions anymore.

and by the way. meddler DID confirm that theyre going to give garen some attention around 6.24 or 7.1. which judging by his current state means buffs.

Sona x Rubick3 votes

if it's not garen, it's tryndamere

back in 2012 tryndamere was picked a lot of time in competition, (without being op of course) why? because of -100 AD

nerfed because low elo cannot handle tryndamere since the begining of the universe, boom no longer picked in competition

and now? now tryndamere (while having a frustrating kit) is terrible in high elo while being almost decent in low elo.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

I worded it carefully :p

I didn't say ''if you buff them''

I said ''If you buff shit like Garen or XinZhao to work in High ELO''

I'm aware both are in a shitty state, and could use some help, but if you buff them to function in High ELO, they'd massacre every low ELO Game they're in :p

Critmaster Garen2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-10-29T13:59:30.196+0000)

I worded it carefully :p

I didn't say ''if you buff them''

I said ''If you buff shit like Garen or XinZhao to work in High ELO''

I'm aware both are in a shitty state, and could use some help, but if you buff them to function in High ELO, they'd massacre every low ELO Game they're in :p

i know how you worded it, but im saying it just isnt true.

garen was already in a spot where he was decent in high divisions while not being overwhelming in lower divisions. at least id call 52% winrate in plat + with 56% winrate for experienced players pretty decent. he just dropped off at all levels of play with the mage update, and following patches.

since the juggernaut rework, the difference in strength of the champion between divisions was actually small.

garen being being a pupstomp champion whos trash at high level play and incredibly strong at low level play is a thing of the past.

Ceapi1 votes

I understand what you mean.Every game I only seen Jayce Kennen if they are not banned.Mid is either mages that play decently and get a boost fromitem 3116 or assassins who snowball or fail miserably and are useless because they get cc'd in teamfights, but hey cc is not a viable counter since everyone can get cc'd.(rant)

Saianna1 votes

took months of debate to know that it isn't fine, and yet no nerfs on pbe

That's what you get for inbalancing this item in a first place. Lots of HP little of AP Lots of AP little of HP pick one.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

if you can legit come of with a way to perfectly balanced the game with its 133 champs , endless combinations of runes, masteries, and items where all champs have a win rate between 49%-51% and they all have no obvious strengths or weakness over others then plz do and when you figure this out let RIOT know... cuz you must be smarter then them.... also if you figure this out... fix global warming, the water shortage, the world economy, world peace, the energy crisis, world hunger, time travel , and PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT GOD EXIST...

ill wait....

Sona x Rubick3 votes

care to explain how is this comment related to this thread? i'm talking about how riot is balancing the game around low elo.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

you are talking about balance and how its not... i said go balanced it... its hard to make the game 100% balanced around all the variables and if you are smart enough to do it... let riot know and then go figure out all the other issues plaguing humanity cuz you are smarter then hawkins... einstein, and so on... you provide zero solutions you just complain...

the game is balanced for the most part by the imbalanced of it...

you can win games at top melee vs ranged tops... i do it all the time...

Sona x Rubick4 votes

i said it's not balanced around HIGH ELO, if you go in silver/gold the game is pretty much balanced over there, at least more balanced than in high elo since melees can do something.

and the reason of this is because riot isn't balancing the game around high elo.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but your wrong.. the balanced on high elo and pro play ... cuz higher skilled players are most likely to abuse strengths and expose weakness then a lower skilled player

ÂFRÏCÂN GØD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-10-29T14:33:42.384+0000)

if you can legit come of with a way to perfectly balanced the game with its 133 champs , endless combinations of runes, masteries, and items where all champs have a win rate between 49%-51% and they all have no obvious strengths or weakness over others then plz do and when you figure this out let RIOT know... cuz you must be smarter then them.... also if you figure this out... fix global warming, the water shortage, the world economy, world peace, the energy crisis, world hunger, time travel , and PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT GOD EXIST...

ill wait....

Well world hunger was created by humans and isn't "fixed" for a reason. Time travel also already exists but isn't bent by sheer human will. So in its basic form, we can't manipulate time travel. God may not exist but higher universal powers are in effect which is why unexplainable things that defy all logic and laws happen more frequently than one cares to admit. We are but specs of dirt in a habitat in a dome called Earth. The world economy is garbage because of the presence of greed, deception and selfishness (also fixable). Global warming will never be fixed. We generate too much heat as humans as does everything we create. The Earth has to adapt to its new and ever-growing occupants & It only has 2 choices; maintain us or exterminate us. Peace is a byproduct of war so good luck on achieving Utopia (an impractical illusion).

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

global warming, water shortage, world hunger, and the energy crisis is all caused by one under lying factor .... OVER POPULATION

have 300 million or so less people in the world then alot of that would be nullified.... and there would be less traffic jams and more parking spaces

also another answer to it would be cold fusion

but i think killing off 300million would be easier to achieve

ÂFRÏCÂN GØD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000a00010000,timestamp=2016-10-29T15:04:27.687+0000)

global warming, water shortage, world hunger, and the energy crisis is all caused by one under lying factor .... OVER POPULATION

have 300 million or so less people in the world then alot of that would be nullified.... and there would be less traffic jams and more parking spaces

also another answer to it would be cold fusion

but i think killing off 300million would be easier to achieve

be careful. your Caucasian is showing and that mindset doesn't work in 2016. RIP. I wish you well tho in your minoritization

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well im not Caucasian for 1... 2 i didnt say any particular race ... i just said over population is an issue that is happening and its real...

the joke about freeing up parking spaces and getting rid of traffic jams was a joke

but limiting the population would be easier to achieve then cold fusion

so why would you assume im caucasian ?

ÂFRÏCÂN GØD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000a0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-30T13:54:53.952+0000)

well im not Caucasian for 1... 2 i didnt say any particular race ... i just said over population is an issue that is happening and its real...

the joke about freeing up parking spaces and getting rid of traffic jams was a joke

but limiting the population would be easier to achieve then cold fusion

so why would you assume im caucasian ?

its so ironic to me when the joker becomes the joke.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

oh smart guy but once again explain how im caucasian by my statement?

ÂFRÏCÂN GØD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000a000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-30T15:22:45.739+0000)

oh smart guy but once again explain how im caucasian by my statement?

your jokes have white undertones. your insensitivity to giving actual solutions to actual problems with no indication of the parties involved insinuates you dont view all as equal or deserving of life. Pretty sad to be honest. Maybe we should start with you and your family and go from there to lower the population?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well hate to burst your bubble... im actually native american, grandmother full blooded...

and im not privilege in any sense i have been sick majority of my life with a rare genetic blood disorder... was hospitalize alot as a kid... grew up with a single mom on welfare with two younger brothers (she is disabled ) my dad died and passed away from cancer and buried him on fathers day...

so i also didnt point out any race or group of people... i just stated the world is over populated and could use 300 million less people... you are the one who in your mind took that as me being white and having insensitivity . i didnt say for us to use ideas that hitler implemented and try genocide...

i just said it would be easier to kill 300 million then to solve cold fusion i never said to do it...

you are implying alot of context that isnt there

ÂFRÏCÂN GØD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-30T15:32:45.752+0000)

well hate to burst your bubble... im actually native american, grandmother full blooded...

and im not privilege in any sense i have been sick majority of my life with a rare genetic blood disorder... was hospitalize alot as a kid... grew up with a single mom on welfare with two younger brothers (she is disabled ) my dad died and passed away from cancer and buried him on fathers day...

so i also didnt point out any race or group of people... i just stated the world is over populated and could use 300 million less people... you are the one who in your mind took that as me being white and having insensitivity . i didnt say for us to use ideas that hitler implemented and try genocide...

i just said it would be easier to kill 300 million then to solve cold fusion i never said to do it...

you are implying alot of context that isnt there

that childhood might explain why your jokes sound so cynical in nature. maybe its this generations knack of speaking sarcasm as a second language or just being subconsciously emotionally scarred from being born into a world that is bad by origin of the last generation. Idk, either way, you may be right about how I read what you said, at the same time... The only logical way of dealing with over population is one of two ways... extinction or prevention. Which do you prefer. I can provide counterarguments as to why neither will happen. One, because our main job is to procreate and secondly because lets be real, sex is one of the main ways humans "escape from life". We can use the unnecessary "over-sexualization" of things that take place in many cultures and countries as an example.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

so i dont disagree with what you are saying... but over population is a real issue...

and im older im 33... i have a wide range of medical issues i deal with starting with my blood disorder i was born with.. which effects my immune system, best way to describe it would be having sickle cell and having leukemia ... i also have thyroid disease now.. diagnosed a month ago... along with 2 different sleep disorders... server sleep apnea and insomnia ... also as a child i feel two stories and crackd my skull .. i have nerve damage in my back and neck due to being hit by a drunk driver on the interstate. i get pain and numbness in my left arm/hand from it a pinched sciatic nerve in my left nerve

i work 50 some times 60hrs a week to provide and help take care of my mother who is disabled with so many medical issues... its laughable i told her if she was horse we would take her out back and put her down.

in the past 4 years she has had 5 major surgeries

she is has epilepsy, rheumatoid arthritis, has a plate in her neck and her spine is starting to fuse together. she has a tumor on her optic nerve and when i was 16 she had brain surgery to remove part of a tumor on her frontal lobe.

some times death is a peaceful though and a vacation from life...

ÂFRÏCÂN GØD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMwUlWEg,comment-id=000a0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-30T16:04:41.130+0000)

so i dont disagree with what you are saying... but over population is a real issue...

and im older im 33... i have a wide range of medical issues i deal with starting with my blood disorder i was born with.. which effects my immune system, best way to describe it would be having sickle cell and having leukemia ... i also have thyroid disease now.. diagnosed a month ago... along with 2 different sleep disorders... server sleep apnea and insomnia ... also as a child i feel two stories and crackd my skull .. i have nerve damage in my back and neck due to being hit by a drunk driver on the interstate. i get pain and numbness in my left arm/hand from it a pinched sciatic nerve in my left nerve

i work 50 some times 60hrs a week to provide and help take care of my mother who is disabled with so many medical issues... its laughable i told her if she was horse we would take her out back and put her down.

in the past 4 years she has had 5 major surgeries

she is has epilepsy, rheumatoid arthritis, has a plate in her neck and her spine is starting to fuse together. she has a tumor on her optic nerve and when i was 16 she had brain surgery to remove part of a tumor on her frontal lobe.

some times death is a peaceful though and a vacation from life...

Yea thats true but do us both a favor by sticking it out to the end because there are no do-overs and although the release of death seems sweet I would rather you stick it out. It takes a lot of strength to be you and thanks for the conversation. add me if u play this game if you wanna talk more im here. see ya on the rift?

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