From one Support main to...every other Support out there

Sterek is Love··91 votes·4,496 views

I don't care who you are, how much damage you do, I don't care who the enemy jungle is.

You. Buy. A. Sightstone. The rest of your build, doesn't matter, nobody cares as long as it works out for you, but your team should not be getting picked off trying to ward a dark map because you can't even place a Control Ward, at the very least.

104 Comments

Wimbledofy45 votes

You don't buy a sightstone because you want to ward, everyone can do that. You get a sightstone so you can control vision by getting a sweeper. Everyone on team should buy a control ward and mid game everyone has access to a decent amount of wards to place on the map. Having a bright map is equally everyone's job since the support can only place 3 wards at a time.

Velzard of Koz3 votes

No I buy Sighstone because nearly nobody wards properly enough in my elo and this way I have three handy wards I can pull to every corner I want.

SpartenA799131 votes

"Perfect idea" -Lux item 2045 item 3089 item 3089 item 3089 item 3089 item 3020

Sterek is Love12 votes

If she's slaying, let her.

Aimléss6 votes

Tbh, in world where item 3070 item 3070 Katarina item 3070 item 3070 item 3117 (Mobis so she'll int even faster) exist, I would certainly take that build any day.

GamerThink5 votes

item 3165 item 3135 should be more efficient than 2nd and 3rd rabadon XD... Also item 3092 quickens your buys and gives you utility.

Nevertheless, upvote!

PureSilvrr11 votes

Buy I can only have 4 wards at a time, that means I can only ward 4 places.... which means there's still most of the map where people just get picked off... what do I do with these monkeys that don't ward...

Sterek is Love2 votes

Then it's their fault if they're dumb enough to facecheck bushes. To hell with them, take your vision and become the new carry. To hell with them.

Skias2 votes

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Then it's their fault if they're dumb enough to facecheck bushes. To hell with them, take your vision and become the new carry. To hell with them.

So spend the money for zero benefit because you are ward capped and people still die. No offense, but Sightstone loses value the lower your elo.

ShadowStar9121 votes

and there lies the problem with most of the support meta, you can only place 3 wards and 1 control ward at a time and yet outside of challenger tier and the LCS everyone expects the support to ward the ENTIRE map and blames them when there's no vision. what needs to be done is find a way to make other team members also place wards.

oh wait, we have that. they're called trinkets and cheap control wards. why don't they use them?

this 'only supports ward' mindset is a big part of the reason a lot of people don't like support. no recognition when they save people or make plays, if something happens to the ADC its ALWAYS your fault, and lack of vision is the supports job to fix.

even as a support main i wonder why play the role at all when this almost always happens.

BabeisBae1 votes

Nah people only blame them if the map is dark and they legit are sitting on full sightstone....

ShadowStar917 votes

I can't tell you how many times I'm sitting on an EMPTY Sightstone with all my wards out and I still get blamed. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Embertine4 votes

Yeah you can place up to four wards at a time with trinket and SS, but you can only have three active at any given time, and trying to place a forth will just kill the earliest one you placed. Which means you actually only have three wards out on the map and that means the map is even darker. Yet even when you place more than 30% of the wards on your team people will still scream at you to buy a sightstone when it was their fault they got cought out and not yours as you were never even near the place they died all match. Not to mention that in order to refill the damned thing you have to get back to spawn which takes you out of any trades or potential team fights, causing your team to lose cc, damage, and heals.

Riot should make it so that Sightstone automatically generates one word every 60 or 80 seconds and refills completely when you get back to shop. that way when you've placed all your wards and haven't gone back to shop for ten minutes, you can still place wards as the Sightstone will slowly generate them.

PureSilvrr2 votes

The fourth ward is item 2055

Thilmer11 votes

People still thinking that the support can place 20 wards and give vision to the whole map, despite the fact Riot changed the ward sistem... three seasons ago?

Is about time the other roles get their shit together when it comes to placing wards.

SciFi Scrivener3 votes

Well said. I had a top laner complain they got ganked because of lack of vision in the TOP LANE!! Why is it the bot lane support's fault if top lane and jungle don't ward?

Yes, I don't want my ADC to worry about vision while farming, but even they need to throw a ward in those bottom bushes from time to time.

Warding is a team effort, not just a support responsibility.

Xyntheyxz7 votes

Thresh item 3401 item 2045 item 3190 item 3107 item 3109 item 3512 item 3364 Welcome to the hell of micromanagement. 4 abilities 2 summoner spells 7 items

13 buttons [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Mig891 votes

This was me yesterday lol but Morgana item 3117 item 3092 item 2045 item 3512 item 3190 item 3157 item 3364

Squidward Dab4 votes

Literally that's the reason why I barely play support cuz the micro managing of all those goddamn actives are annoying to manage. I like supporting time to time but damn there's a lot of actives in their items

Could not care6 votes

Hey, can't I have freedom? I mean, if my jungle doesn't TAKE smite, must I BUY an item to help him win the game?

Sterek is Love1 votes

No, that's when you play kill lane supp Kat/Akali and just carry his useless ass to victory.

I'm being somewhat serious, I'm guilty of having done this. But no really, if this does happen to you, get your adc to Play Kalista and go Akali. Just trust me.

Kyunsei6 votes

Remove sightstone from the game, up trinkets.

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

Bring back the choose-able upgrades to trinkets. item 3361 item 3362

Sterek is Love2 votes

OMFG YES I'M STILL HUFFY ABOUT THIS CHANGE, literally the best option as a supp I had, when I could focus on my "keep them alive" or "kill them before they kill me" build and still keep the jungle away from lane.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Same here, I don't mind having a free pink/control ward even if it had a 5 minute cooldown; just like to not worry about wasted space while having a sightstone.

cinomenapplebae5 votes

I just don't buy it anymore until later for baron and dragon contests honestly, In low elo alot of people don't even capitalize on the wards.

Swarovsko9 votes

wards baron -> enemy team starts doing it -> my jungle goes bot side farming -> "WOAAAH THEY DID BARON??????" I'm getting tired of warding when I'm the only one watching the mini map.

TotalJerk3 votes

Lost count of how many times I've set the jungler behind by simply deep warding and invading when we spot him.

Krinu4 votes

Ehhhh. I think it's more situational than that.

If you're a support that initiates, roams, or can at least survive while wandering, yeah, a SS is a good purchase. But if you're a squishy, hug-your-team support where roaming is an all-expenses-paid express ticket back to the fountain, then a sightstone doesn't make as much sense as some of the other gold income item upgrades.

Take Morgana, for example. Getting the sightstone upgrade for FQC makes a lot of sense, because while you do lose the slow, you can actually survive going to ward objectives and the like even if you happen to run into the enemy jungler or a roaming assassin. If you're on Soraka, on the other hand, then getting within warding distance of a bush by yourself can be lethal - and the utility offered by the group speed boost can be very powerful to help engage or disengage, not to mention the vastly improved itemization.

sobi9994 votes

A sightstone is a must. I just don't get the fact that supports are already low in gold so why is it a compulsory item for them? If anyone the jungler is the best person to buy sightstone or mid since they have more control over the map and more money than a support as well. I do always buy my sightstone but 1 person can only place 4 wards at a time so someone in the team also has to buy a sightstone (jungler being the best option).

GamerThink3 votes

Sometimes I try to optimize my backs building first the 500 gold upgrade for the gold item, and I can understand doing that, but then priority to sightstone.

P.s.: I buy sightstone also on tanky junglers sometimes...

Kaioko3 votes

You get a sightstone not so you can ward -- you've got the yellow trinket for that. You get a sightstone because you can then get a sweeper and deny enemy vision which is hugely important.

Ultimate Deadpoo3 votes

Also as a message to fellow jungle mains:

If you don't need the extra damage from red smite because you have a shit ton of burst already or just don't need the damage in the first place and you don't need the blue smite speed up and slow, GET A FUCKING TRACKER'S KNIFE!!!!

That will really help your team out.

Skias3 votes

I've been having more luck buying control wards and spending the rest of my gold on defense and offense. I can ward to high hell, but in gold I can watch enemy mid walk through three wards and kill top or jungle because they never looked at the map. SoloQ is so uncoordinated and circusy, its a gamble when anyone will even take advantage of your support play.

In coordinated 5s? yeah. SoloQ? Debatable depending on your team. If they are stupid, sell it, buy offense and try to carry yourself out.

Sterek is Love1 votes

This I can agree with and understand. When your carry can't carry, lift their dead ass weight up and drag em along. I think that's why I prefer and like Flex better. I never had an issue with getting teammates that had crappy mentalities or obnoxious tunnel vision, I could play someone like Janna who can focus on not doing a ton of damage and still have a good time, can't do that in Solo/Duo, I have to play someone who does damage because my jungle is bad, my mid is bad, my adc can't adc, etc. It's horrible. I hate that mode so much.

Skias2 votes

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This I can agree with and understand. When your carry can't carry, lift their dead ass weight up and drag em along. I think that's why I prefer and like Flex better. I never had an issue with getting teammates that had crappy mentalities or obnoxious tunnel vision, I could play someone like Janna who can focus on not doing a ton of damage and still have a good time, can't do that in Solo/Duo, I have to play someone who does damage because my jungle is bad, my mid is bad, my adc can't adc, etc. It's horrible. I hate that mode so much.

The other day, my team wouldn't build shred and the tank wall was wrecking us. I sold my sightstone and bought Bortk on Taric. I killed both tanks in a baron fight and we won. Sometimes you gotta support the hard way.

Kill 993 votes

This is where supports fail. Sightstone is only necessary in Silver and above. It is a waste of gold in low level bronze. I main support and i'm a low elo player. I did the support "req items" and I never got out of BV. You can't waste 800 gold when more then likely 3 out of 5 of ur teammates are bad. Once I started going against meta I started climbing. I should be in Silver shortly with my other account. I started B IV placement.

Sterek is Love1 votes

Your mistake is maining support in bronze. Either learn a carry lane, or to hell with everyoen else play a carry support like full ap Sona, or Kayle, or full ap Annie, etc.

You will never get out of Bronze playing a role that relies on others through augmentation. Trust me, I was there once.

Kill 991 votes

LOL ur funny. Because I went from BV to Silver last season pure solo que. Will do it again this season with my main. Will also do it again with this account. My brain superiority excels at game theory.

Embertine1 votes

I got out of bronze and into silver by playing nothing but Leona support without a sightstone and building only half tank. http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah116/Daniel_Fritsch/Ranked1_zpsgbva0dyy.png http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah116/Daniel_Fritsch/Ranked2_zpssaq28d0v.png

However once you get into Silver 4 vision becomes much more needed.

So yes Kill 99 is not wrong.

meowwow72 votes

and if you are getting a plain ss then maybe up it to a rss for the item cdr :P

Verdade2 votes

rss is crap item

Mig892 votes

It's not a crap item. I think it won me my last game tbh. We didn't take a tower until I was full build and was spamming my abilities and locket, redemption, fqc, and had the map lit up. Somehow I got an S with 9 deaths

NekoniClaws2 votes

Reasons I buy sightstone and think it's a fantastic idea:

1: I want my ADC to push and get kills. 2: Before level 9 I have 5 wards on rotation, which is great if my adc has a big juicy bounty, or if my jungler didn't get scuttle on drag 3: I can get a sweeper. Sweeper means we can take objectives without being jumped on, walk around our own jungle, and create ambushes. 4: I'm worth less gold than my 10/2 Lucian, who I don't want facechecking bushes. 5: If my ADC takes farsight and my jungler takes a combat smite and a sweeper, we're down four wards.

Sometimes I'll rush FOTM first, if we're towerdiving or getting dived. Or if we're seiging or being seiged. Aside from specific situations like this, not having sightstone can be crippling, if not for your team, at least for the adc you're supporting.

FilDaFunk2 votes

tbh, a lot of the top laners will have a much easier placing deep wards, compared to supports.

Emerald Unicorn2 votes

As a support main, and a jungler secondary, I ward a lot. But I have noticed how rarely other lanes ward. As a jungler I feel like I end up warding for top and mid every time I pass by. Fortunately, most games that I jungle in, the support seems to do a decent job of warding their area. But I am always a little in shock when I go into the post game advanced stats and see people that only placed 2-4 wards in a whole 40 minute game. If your trinket is up, then use it. Anywhere is better than nowhere. After pushing up to an inhib turret throw a ward down somewhere. If it shows that any enemy is up there it lets others know they can, relatively, safely push a different lane without getting ganked by the whole team.

SlashStriker2 votes

everybody with a brain will see that

item 2049 Sigthstone cost 800 gold and gives you 4 wards item 3340 trinkets cost nothing and REGENERATE up to 2 wards

free wards or wards for a price

Not to mention that it got shitty stats

item 1028 - 400 gold That means that 4 wards cost 400 gold item 3340 - 0 gold and it regenerates wards

Acheron162 votes

"It's not solely the support's job to ward, the rest of the team has to contribute" -Riot

NastyMcOutplay2 votes

Sighs tone sucks on tank supports

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