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Can Yasuo Get Some Removals like Irelia/Akali?

Emo Twink·2/3/2019, 4:43:11 AM·200 votes·25,157 views

Both of those champs are getting some removals of parts of their kits are overloaded. Yasuo is one of the most banned champions in this game, and has been for years. He's not broken, but a headache to vs.

-Shield on passive that recharges, on the same passive with doubling your crit chance. -Q allows him to shove waves with no costs to him, also provides him a knockup. If it crits, the whole Q procs his life steal, instead of just the onhit part (including tornado). -Windwall blocks all abilities besides lazers and a few other exceptions. You wanna play Nami? have fun having your whole kit blocked by this, including heals. -E is endless dashing with almost no CD provided theres a minion wave. Gives really good early game trading, esp if youre against immobile mage (Lux for example). Slide up, try to attack, about to get snared, just slide back. Also has dmg increase per slide for no reason? maybe to help his already amazing waveclear, havent you seen a yasuo's endgame waveclear? -Ulti gives him armor pen, suspension of target, can be AoE, also moves him out of turret range because he needs more safety.

Now, Akali is about to have her shown in turret radius, and is losing her healing on Q. Irelia lost dmg to shields and her disarm.

They were finally hit, but Yasuo's been a frustration issue all these years and it's just surprising he hasnt had something removed. You cant really outpush him, and if you roam for one minute, he'll take a lot of plates. You stay in lane, you'll either end up taking a bad trade after one misplay and die/back, or run out of mana and hell do the same. If you aren't hyper aggressive and get kills against him, then he'll scale hard and feel unkillable late game.

So yeah, theres my opinion. Feel free to disagree, but for a late game hypercarry having a lot of tools feels extremely unhealthy. That and he can shove waves like nothing while many mages were nerfed for that.

As for what to change, nerf Q dmg to minions, make windwall have a braum shield effect (or healthbar) and make the healthbar scale the windwalls health/dmg reduction, not size, and remove the turret safety on his ult so he has to towerdive if hes attacking you. Even just one of these will feel more healthy going against him (Q/W especially).

205 Comments

Irelia Bot2/3/2019, 5:13:52 AM38 votes

Remove Shield

Make E require flow or change Yasuo to an energy champ (ionian so it is allowed)

Windwall now appears on the map instead of as a projectile from Yasup and duration lowered to 2/2.25/2.5/2.75/3

Ulting a enemy under turret now always place Yasuo under turret with agro.

Just what I would try if given the power.

Ionian Vulpix2/3/2019, 5:26:20 AM32 votes

Remove the free armor pen on ult and the bonus crit on passive. Make Windwall not start behind him.

I think skirmishers need to have some kind of defensive ability and his passive is actually one of the only things I think is decently designed about his kit. Yes, he builds it just by moving, but it's still easy enough to take away.

hhaavviikk2/3/2019, 7:53:59 AM23 votes

1 nice change when fighting yasuo would be to show his E cooldown on minions to the enemies, unless you constantly want to click on all your minions in the lane it is impossible to keep track of which minions he has dashed to and which he isn't which is what I would call invisible power

On My Kill List2/3/2019, 5:29:22 AM19 votes

he's technically did have removals. his ult crit actually used to work on all attacks not just crit ones. his w used to give him a percentage of his flow with each dash. i believe there were also some other things he's lost. saying he hasn't gotten removals is kinda of a lie. and yasuo's more balanced around items/runes then either akali or irelia. and nerfing him now would be a bad idea since there's a huge crit rework looming.

5050BS2/3/2019, 8:17:08 AM10 votes

GOD yes please

SaltyBoiMalum2/3/2019, 5:44:35 AM10 votes

Yasuo is and always will be a skill match up for about 80% of his enemys. He has plenty of counters in mid and top. Many champs easily beat him such as Morde, Teemo, Malzahar, Wukong, Kayle, Fiora, Jax, Zed, Katarina, Heimer, Ryze, Garen. Those are all the more "ovbious" counters and it is very hard for yasuo to win lane or go even, but its definitely possible. The only thing you need to nerf on yas is his w and make it into a braum shield or like a nidalee w where it heals. Idk its just my opinion, but I really thing nerfing yasuo wont do anything he has been way stronger before and people complaining about Yas instead of like Neeko, Sylas, Xin Zhao, and every other unbalanced champ. Oh sorry I forgot ZOE the bane of my existence. Edit: [zombie-brand-mindblown] So 95% of the replys are he has great split pushing, but wait every single bruiser builds TIAMAT, which is extremly good. Also you can build against a yas, also I listed more than 10 counters to yas. Everyone that downvoted this do not know how to play against him, build against him, or know his counters. Please explain how Yasuo is so overpowered, but he is not in high elo (diamond) or in LCS. You wanna know why? Because players their know how to beat him or at least go even. He is a skill matchup.

Saevum2/3/2019, 4:45:46 AM9 votes

You can remove all his strenghts in champ select lobby. By yourself. Single handedly. Really fast. Accurate and simple. With one click.

Spooky Skeleton2/3/2019, 7:59:54 PM9 votes

Why isn't there a guy at Riot with the sole purpose of looking at CertainlyT's abominations and slicing off half the kit. Seriously, hire someone to do just that.

Or rework/get rid of windwall. Why a single champ can essentially nullify all ranged champions for it's duration if placed properly is beyond me.

LuckyPaws2/3/2019, 6:58:22 PM7 votes

you want to balance yayosu?simple,add him energy/mana cost

Kubox2/3/2019, 7:36:14 PM7 votes

I want windwall to stop blocking skills when we're both on the same side of it. There's really nothing sensible about me trying to attack a Yasuo through a windwall that's behind him.

With how massive the wall is, it really doesn't need as thick a hitbox that it covers such a wide area not covered by the animation.

lovealert2/3/2019, 5:19:17 PM7 votes

What I really hate about him is his passive, every time I play a mage its like that whole shield absorbs all my abilities, its insane.

and then it sucks because im having to sit there waiting for cooldowns while he can just dash around and tornado ult me and I have nothing, and then when my CDs are down and I go back in, He magically has his passive back up, its so stupid...

TheShréktEffect2/3/2019, 6:25:21 PM6 votes

Or just make it so he can't ult off of every single CC. Like he can ult off Thresh's hook, wtf? It's not even a knock up, how is that even possible. It's just bullshit hidden power that he doesn't need.

BLIGHTBRINGER2/3/2019, 5:27:31 PM6 votes

Tbh I can maybe deal with everything he has, besides his E + Q Point to Click Single Target Knockup Mechanic or the one that includes doing a similar thing but instead doing it on a Minion and then flashing towards the Enemy to Knock them up instead into a unavoidable R afterwards.

Like why is this a thing lol

kurufal2/4/2019, 12:00:09 AM6 votes

I'm just here to call out all the "GIT GUD" comments as garbage.

Packun Flower2/4/2019, 12:17:48 AM6 votes

One of his passives had to go. Double Crit or shield, one or the other, i don't care which one, but one of them seriously has to go.

Personally id like to see his double crit passive go because it would tone down some of the insane damage in this game. But if you want him to have that much crit power then he needs to have a weak laning phase, right jow his passive shield nulls pretty much any lane interaction you can give him.

Yasuo has been a problem since his release but devs have refused to acknowledge that he's an issue. He is CertanlyToxic's poster boy and thus dare not touch him with any proper removal like he needs.

I Spread Cancer2/3/2019, 5:22:59 PM5 votes

Windwall hitbox should be fixed, it block projectile behind Yasuo when casted in the other direction, not only that but the hitbox is active about 0.25 secondes before the visual. If Fiora panic with a early Parry you can punish it, but with Yasuo you may be unlucky and throw your spell while it was invisible

smexxyhex2/3/2019, 10:17:49 PM4 votes

I'll take anything that lowers frustration when playing versus Yasuo. His free shield is the first that needs to go. Also is his bullshit cockblocking windwall.

Elon Musky2/4/2019, 12:56:27 AM4 votes

Yup. As a nami main, a little piece of me dies when there's a yasuo on the enemy team. Even if he's bad, all he has to do is press w and there goes my entire damn kit.

Hjelp2/4/2019, 12:17:21 AM4 votes

IMO Yasuo's shield should be a resource that gets smaller as he spams. It would promote intelligent play and actually make him a fun risk/reward champion.

Troll Slaiyer2/3/2019, 7:58:44 PM4 votes

windwall shouldn't activate immediately.