Once again Teemo and Karthus are banned from One for All

Jerry SeinfeId·Mar 8, 2018·6 votes·3,519 views

Sure, It's pure cancer to play against 5 Teemos or karthuses (karthi?, idfk). But playing against 5 and others is pretty bad too.

seems like a total bitch to play against in this, so does the new , or and that's just a few.

and considering shields now stack (i didn't even know they didn't) hf with 1 ad and 4 of them building shieldbot.

I don't think it's fair that other people can enjoy their cancer but i can't enjoy mine. I want to enjoy this gamemode, i really do but the thing i want the most out of it is playing 5 teemo's vs 5 teemo's.

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I Eat ĄssMar 8, 20186 votes

Yes, because every single time Karthus R is up, they press it and 100 percent get an Ace is super fun.

Or not being able to take 1 step without hitting a shroom.

Other champions have annoying things about them, but those 2 have absolutely 0 counterplay in that game mode

Rebel Phoenix17Mar 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=I Eat Ąss,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AHdaJkmM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-08T23:38:42.362+0000) Other champions have annoying things about them, but those 2 have absolutely 0 counterplay in that game mode

If I'm against Karthus, if I'm AP I can buy: item 3157 item 3102 item 3001 potentially item 3174 or item 3091 If I'm AD item 3026 item 3156 item 3139 item 3072 item 3812

As a tank I have a massive list of items, Karthus has fuck all for AD so I can stack the shit out of MR item 3065 item 3194 item 3190 item 3512 item 3193 plus I could always get the above AD/AP items based on any scalings I have.

And we can really make Karthus cry with: item 3060

Not to mention there are a bunch of champs with innate abilities or tank stats that make them care less about Karthus: Aatrox Alistar Anivia Bard Blitzcrank Braum DrMundo Ekko Elise Fiora Fizz ... I won't go on, but I've only made it to F on the champ list.

Teemo is hard fucking countered by item 3364 and item 2055 If that's not enough the majority of Teemo's will build full AP so all of the above listed for Karthus applies. If they do have some versatility its harder to itemize, but also the shrooms are drastically less dangerous.

There are plenty of champions that are equally obnoxious to play against - and some are straight up harder to counter. Heimerdinger can start his strat by 5 manning mid at the start of the game, so you wont have time to amass gold to itemize against him, and he is capable of taking towers so fast you can win in under 10 minutes if the opponent can't scrape enough kills together. Ziggs also can nuke towers early game and can force down mid. Ezreal Varus KogMaw all have really good AD and AP scalings making them incredibly hard to itemize against. Thresh can be AD AP or tank and can abuse the soul mechanic (if one thresh never collects souls they will generate souls faster for your AD/AP thresh to harvest) to get immense burst that can even threaten tank champs.

It's stupid to say that Karthus and Teemo out of all of the crazy combinations that exist in the game are the sole champions that are "too un-fun" and it's ludicrous to claim that there is no counterplay for them.

Akali is SO HOTMar 30, 20182 votes

5 Karthus ults at once 100-0s everyone in the game at level 6. Unless you are a select few champs that can actually dodge his ult, then you are fucked. Beating Karthus and Teemo in one for all isn't impossible, but the hill you have to climb up to beat them is so incredibly difficult and frustrating to do.

Rebel Phoenix17Apr 1, 20182 votes

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5 Karthus ults at once 100-0s everyone in the game at level 6. Unless you are a select few champs that can actually dodge his ult, then you are fucked. Beating Karthus and Teemo in one for all isn't impossible, but the hill you have to climb up to beat them is so incredibly difficult and frustrating to do.

You are definitively wrong. Assuming the relatively standard Sorcery + Precision, Karthus will have 14 AP from runes, and 32 dmg from Scorch. For the sake of it I'll even say they all proc last man standing for a 5% amp.

Most Karthus's rush item 3040 or item 3027 . item 1056 provides 15 AP. item 3070 and double item 1052 (which is much less likely than + item 3802 but fuck it) gets 40 AP. item 3010 + item 1026 is also 40. The and double build would be 2020 gold. + would be 2350.

All of this together means 5 Karthus ults will deal 1752.188

The lowest base MR in the game is Sejuani (since I will not include ANY MR buffs or shields for our defense here) at 30.1. Everyone else has a minimum of 37. With 37 MR any champion that has more than 752 base HP (technically ~751.6) that buys item 1054 and item 3211 will survive a 5 man ulti. Note that and is only 1650g which is either 370g or 700g cheaper than what the karthus' are building.

Who meets this threshold, you ask? Well just about everyone. Kled doesn't make the cut (I mean just kled. Not Kled+skaarl.) That's it. That's the end of the list. Every champ in the game can survive 5 karthus ultis by purchasing 330 hp and 25 MR. Most of them won't even need that much. So every tank/bruiser/juggernaut etc is covered cuz they can all make use of that cowl.

Can't use cowl? If you are AD you can get + + (which can go into , , or if nothing else) and as long as you have 789 base you're fine. Or you could go (for a ) instead of and you'll only need 760HP. These builds are 2150g and 1570g respectively, so if you want you have to keep up (and in some cases exceed Karthus' gold). Again this is EVERYONE.

Oh, you're AP? No problem. Obviously you have item 1054 . If you can build item 3001 , item 3010 + item 1033 and you're fine. Or you could get, item 3136 with and item 1028 . Some champs won't even need the extra .

This is without ever considering the champs with MR buffs, with shields (including overheal+doran's lifesteal), nullifying orb from runes or with resolve tree's innate HP.

LonelyDazabApr 1, 20181 votes

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Yes, because every single time Karthus R is up, they press it and 100 percent get an Ace is super fun.

Or not being able to take 1 step without hitting a shroom.

Other champions have annoying things about them, but those 2 have absolutely 0 counterplay in that game mode

so you are not able to buy a stopwatch?

dunder killMar 8, 20182 votes

100% justified.

5 Teemos can put down so many shrooms that you can't even leave your base. Contrary to popular belief, running around as a 5 man the entire game while perfectly staggering your trinkets just isn't possible, let alone viable.

Karthus comes down to if you don't have Zhonyas or don't have it up they R and you die

It's more than fair to have them banned

SasogwaMar 8, 20181 votes

Karthus is not justified. At all. The R cd is ridiculously high, taking 5 R's doesn't even mean a sure kill if you have any bit of mr or a zhonya, and it's wayyyy less unhealthy than a lot of one for alls.

Nanuk PihoqahiakApr 1, 20181 votes

You can get his ultimate down pretty low with Ultimate Hat and Archangel's. I think it's around 80 seconds with 20 percent CDR. Anything else is icing on the cake, and that's already pretty good for a global nuke.