Begging for a 1Million mastery point (mastery level 8) at this point....

Jesus Is My King·Oct 29, 2017·86 votes·5,130 views

made multiple posts on this, was genuinely hoping for a rioter to just say something on what they thought about this... since 1 million mastery doesnt give anything at all, and 1 million is a pretty huge accomplishment, theirs enough people in league that have 1 million at this point, but also at the same time its rare to see them,

just wishing for a new lvl 8 mastery with a genuine 1 million, true mastery point champion flair.

78 Comments

scribbles782Oct 29, 201727 votes

That would be really nice, but it would ultimately hurt the community because I'd one trick Talon to get that... I'd ruin so many games

Jesus Is My KingOct 29, 20172 votes

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That would be really nice, but it would ultimately hurt the community because I'd one trick Talon to get that... I'd ruin so many games

i one trick mid top. i probably ruin some games, but i give it my best all the time. and therefore i usually can climb, becuase when you master a champion. you know how to position, and use abilities when needed :) so.. you dont really ruin games... it can also be other mates on your team that can screw up too..

scribbles782Oct 30, 20171 votes

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i one trick mid top. i probably ruin some games, but i give it my best all the time. and therefore i usually can climb, becuase when you master a champion. you know how to position, and use abilities when needed :) so.. you dont really ruin games... it can also be other mates on your team that can screw up too..

No, I'd ruin the ENEMY TEAMS' games... Who likes playing against a fucking Talon? I mean I guess Akali isn't much better xD

AseraanOct 30, 20171 votes

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That would be really nice, but it would ultimately hurt the community because I'd one trick Talon to get that... I'd ruin so many games

GOOD no rly i would just do the same whit yi too tho, just feels right......

ADC vs RengarOct 30, 20171 votes

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That would be really nice, but it would ultimately hurt the community because I'd one trick Talon to get that... I'd ruin so many games

in b4 "muh first blood"

HachiraOct 30, 20171 votes

those 25% of first bloods are juicy

TormentulaOct 29, 201712 votes

I've talked about this before, the answer is I don't want it.

1.7 million elise main here, I do NOT want other people I encounter in-game, in-lobby, or in-loading screen knowing the experience on my champion.

If I have a bad game, its never ending "one trick???", hell if I don't 1v9 its still "one trick???"
If I have a remake, I don't want getting target champ banned next lobby (yes, this happens a LOT in diamond+, its why I removed my clan tag)
If there's a dodge, ^

Also if you're in plat/below, not trying to sound mean but you're going to get a lot of BM for being a 1-mil one trick in those elos rather then challenger. Hell I get it just for being D5 even though this is only my second ranked season and I have no desire to climb higher until next year.

Additionally, it would have the same effect as seeing other player's ranked borders on the enemy team. It'd cause a lot of discouragement if you know you're going against a one trick. "Well fuck, I just want to play teemo but I had to lane against a one trick, damn riot matchmaking!".

Or your allies: "/all hey, can I have your one trick jg over my first time lee sin?" etc

Should riot give you something for your profile, where players can only see if they deliberately check or you point them to it? Sure, I'm fine with that. An Icon/mastery/border/chroma please no and I would never use it if it was a thing.

FairyfleurOct 29, 20172 votes

Having a ton of mastery on a champion makes people expect a lot of you, and bm you when you don't play perfectly.

Dr PoroOct 29, 20179 votes

I don't think Riot wants to promote one-tricking. Their chests system clearly indicates that. One tricking already has somewhat an advantage on your ranks (although it's better to main a couple of champs rather than just one. You'll still have a main champ that has way more games played than the rest if you want to climb to your maximum). I prefer the way they made mastery 6 and 7 (except for it being behind a pay wall, which doesn't affect me personally because I have more than enough IP and can't buy any other champions because ARAM is still not using entire champion pool).

Lost ROct 29, 20176 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9amakfmTHs

OverloadroadOct 29, 20173 votes

But what is with people who didn't want to upgrade to Mastery level 6 or 7, for whatever reason (e.g. singed420), and reach 1 Mil Mastery Points. Do they get to skip Mastery level 6 & 7 or what else?

Jesus Is My KingOct 29, 20174 votes

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But what is with people who didn't want to upgrade to Mastery level 6 or 7, for whatever reason (e.g. singed420), and reach 1 Mil Mastery Points. Do they get to skip Mastery level 6 & 7 or what else?

Mastery level 5 has a more tilting sound to it singed420 explains, but of course it would take essence to also upgrade to 8. :)

Jerry SeinfeIdOct 29, 20173 votes

.... then they just stay lvl 5?

if the requirement for level 8 is being lvl 7 and having 1m mastery points then you'll still be lvl 5 even if you have 1m points.

singed420 does it cuz of the sound apparantly, personally i never really listened to the differences and just went on to lvl 7 singed anyway (which honestly is one of the easiest).

PennsOct 29, 20173 votes

I think 1 million points should give a special reward, but you should get mastery level 8 with something else like special missions made for every champ that you get when they are level 7 or something.

Raven RedeemedOct 29, 20173 votes

Meh, I don't think that'd be a good idea. It would encourage people to grind out tons of games just for the sake of achievement which I've always believed to be bad practice in the gaming industry. It would encourage people to one-trick which would hurt que times and it would discourage people from building a team comp that works. The difference in skill level of a mastery 7 to that of a higher mastery would be quite small. 1 mil points would not diferntiate people who have mastered their champ, it would just identify the true one-trick.

Obviously this is all just my opinion, but I think the downsides of having such a high mastery level would outweigh the bragging rights of obtaining said level.

LeBlanc RoseOct 30, 20171 votes

Why would one tricking hurt queue times?

Raven RedeemedOct 30, 20171 votes

It probably would not much, but if people are encouraged to play just one champ then they will probably play just one role which means there will be less people willing to play a variety of roles which means the system will have a harder time finding people to fill every role. In addition, people would be more willing to doge if they did not get the role their one-trick champion should play in.

Not xPekeOct 30, 20171 votes

yeah because someone that has mastery 7 with 40k exp is only a small difference in skill level compared to someone who has 1 mill points?

Raven RedeemedOct 30, 20171 votes

Correct. Each champion has their own mastery curve. As you a play a champ more and more you the amount at which you improve on that champ will decrease exponentially until it is negligible (the champ is mastered). Take a champ with a reasonably high skill celling such as Vayne, People with 50-100 games on her have a 53.6% win rate while people with over 200 games on her 54% win rate.

https://i.imgur.com/qpyKzqQ.png

I'm not saying 40k is enough to "master" every champ, but I highly doubt you could improve much more on a champ if you hit something like 100k (beyond universal gameplay improvements like macro-play).

loligotboostedOct 29, 20172 votes

This needs to be hella upvoted. Riot could easily make this happen, but they've been stagnating with how fast they release content upon stuff they've already released. Next thing you know, they'll just rework mastery like they did honor and like they're doing with runes.

Hexs FortuneOct 29, 20172 votes

but you're going to get a lot of BM for being a 1-mil one trick in those elos rather then challenger.

The percentage of players in challenger is so minuscule, how can you take such criticisms literally?

Fear the KaynOct 29, 20172 votes

I think 100k is a much more reasonable amount. 1m will never be seen by enough players to make it worthwhile putting dev time into it.

69469238DEL1Oct 29, 20173 votes

Plenty of people have 1 mil, I'm one of them

Faceroll TacticsOct 30, 20171 votes

Plenty of one tricks.

Also in a game of almost a hundred million accounts, “plenty” is relative

69469238DEL1Oct 30, 20171 votes

Well it can't be 100k, that's not even achievement worthy

Sex With AnnieOct 30, 20174 votes

100k Just shows that you like the champion, same with mastery 7 1 million is true dedication to the champ.

Recon1212Oct 30, 20171 votes

Yeah i feel there needs to be a mastery level that when you see it, you know they are good. Like level 7 is nice for that, but getting S's inst the most difficult thing to do. I would love to see this, or some other form of getting mastery level 8 and so on.

Worst Kench NAOct 30, 20171 votes

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Yeah i feel there needs to be a mastery level that when you see it, you know they are good. Like level 7 is nice for that, but getting S's inst the most difficult thing to do. I would love to see this, or some other form of getting mastery level 8 and so on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIasapK6vfQ

This guy would get mastery 8 under this system. It still won't mean anything.

Not xPekeOct 30, 20171 votes

Being good on a champion doesn't mean you have to be high elo because of it..

That player that you linked is bad not because he's bad on the champion (and so you say that mastery 8 wouldn't mean anything) but because he's bad at the game in general.

Also, if that's the way you see it, surely you should recognise that getting level 6 or 7 doesn't mean anything either? At least this guy actually played enough games to reach 4 mill points. He didn't just get an S in 5 random lucky games and got level 7 lol.

Also, picking extreme cases like these and the other x mill mastery points players in Bronze are not really relevant as they are outliers.

zk0xOct 31, 20171 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIasapK6vfQ

This guy would get mastery 8 under this system. It still won't mean anything.

He is an old guy. He's not young like us. Also I would pick this twitch over master non-otp. We had couples of non-otp teammate with 4 otp teammates. That non-otp was so much heavier and forced us to 4v5. I've proved over 20 games. A lot of viewers have seen it and they said nothing about it now. :) Also, you can't compare that twitch with OTP players. We aren't playing like him. In fact, OTP team are so much aggressive and fluid-alike than we usually have in soloQ. Observe player's movement and see what their true message from their movement. This twitch plays league for fun only and he does not care about it at all. That's fine. There is nothing wrong with it.

General Esdeath Oct 30, 20171 votes

But the thing is, you can get 1 million while being garbage at the champ. Just means you played them a lot.

Not xPekeOct 30, 20172 votes

That argument can be said in regards to getting mastery lvl 6 or 7 as well. 2 good/lucky games and you can get mastery lvl 6 on the 2 following games after getting level 5... It proves nothing, it's just a waste.

Thus, experience points are still a better indication than getting an S Rank or not. At least you're forced to put in the work to reach a certain threshold. Reaching 1 million points while being garbage at the champ, getting Bs and Cs every game will take you A LONG time. So all of this considered, it's obvious that 1 million experience is still a more valid representation of skill level on a champion. More so than level 7.

General Esdeath Oct 30, 20171 votes

I don't know if I would say "2 lucky/good games" since the requirement changes with the average. If you could farm well, and get a good KDA, clearly you're good with the champ. Did you master them? No, in real terms mastering is impossible because it would mean you ALWAYS do good on the champ unless the enemy team sends 5 to your lane to stop you. I think mastery 7 is more of a representation than just hitting 1 million. 1mil just tells me you love that champ or have played this game long enough.

Not xPekeOct 30, 20171 votes

But man, realistically speaking you would have obtained at least 2 S, or even 5, on your way to 1 million points.. Just logically speaking it's a fair assumption to make, no?

This means that he would be level 6 and 7 WAYYYY before he hits 1 million points. Anything after hitting 6 or 7 is and always will be an improvement because it's practice..

Mastery 7 just tells me you could have got lucky and got 5 S lol.

Loving a champ and playing him for a long time is much more representative than getting lucky games and getting S. You could be playing with premades who camp you, who babysit you, make you snowball and give you time to farm. You could just have been playing vs bad players in that game and got an S. Etc, etc - there are many examples like this that can easily prove how getting an S is not hard, nor is it proof of any sort of skill or level.

For example, I have 500k+ on Ekko and I'm level 7 on him. I'm also level 7 on other champions on like 30k exp.. or 40k... Having level 7 means nothing - I'm nowhere good on that champion. Getting S means nothing. Getting all the exp on Ekko (for example) is what truly represents my skill on him. He's my best champ precisely because I've played him so much.

Sure, SOME players can play a champion loads and still be "bad", but the general rule of thumb (even in life in general) is that practice makes perfect.. the more you do something, the better you get at it. It is illogical not to assume that playing a champion many times and reaching 1 million exp does not represent mastering a champion more than level 7.

But ultimately like I said in my previous comment, saying that you could reach 1 mill point and still be garbage on a champion could be said about level 6 and 7 as well, as explained. So it's not really a fair or true point to make.

General Esdeath Oct 30, 20171 votes

You would hit 6 or 7 faster because you only need 5 S ranks in total over all the games you play. AFK on the enemy team? Free S.

Not xPekeOct 30, 20171 votes

That's my point lol... If someone reaches 1 mill points he MUST have obtained S ranks several times throughout his journey to 1 mill points.. So if you say that the points only show that you play a champion alot, what does lvl 6 or 7 prove? Even less? So having said this, there is no harm in having another mastery level that is based on sheer experience again (like it is from 1-5). Which is the most fair representative of "skill" between the 2 systems.

Level 6 or 7 doesn't prove anything. A system based on getting an S doesn't prove anything. Points and experience, while not perfect, definitely offer more than something that is obtainable through getting a "lucky" S 2 or 5 times..

Playing a champion a lot, = improvement (fair assumption to make) = logical to have an exponential increase in champion mastery level. Getting 2 S, =/= improvement =/= a fair representation of increasing your skill level on a champion.

General Esdeath Oct 30, 20171 votes

I see where you're coming at, but you can hit 1 mil without a single S

Not xPekeOct 30, 20171 votes

you're not wrong, but "realistically" that's kind of hard for it to actually occur though, no?

General Esdeath Oct 30, 20171 votes

Not at all. Assume you get 500 points per game alone (no premade bonus), you would need 2K games, which can be done in a year if you play 6 games a day.

Not xPekeOct 31, 20171 votes

What I'm saying is that the odds of playing 2k games without obtaining a single S are tiny. The average person will get an S at some point. Like I said, "realistically" speaking, it's a fair and easy assumption to make (that you will obtain at least 5 S ranks in 2k games).

General Esdeath Oct 31, 20171 votes

You can get an S, I'm just saying it's possible to never get it. Especially in ranked I average B's to S-, but A is my most common grade.

Not xPekeOct 31, 20171 votes

Fair, I see your point.