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You know what I really fucking hate about promotions?

ZILLAGULA··164 votes·5,469 views

The fact that it matters HOW you lose them. See, if you lose the promos Lose - Win - Lose that's the ideal way to lose them. Why? Because LP still counts while in promos. Well, if you win on 100 lp you get nothing though.

Which means that Win - Lose - Lose is worse than Lose - Win - Lose which is very odd. If you win - lose - lose you have to win 2 in a row to get back into promos. You only have to win 1 if you do it the other way.

I find this very strange and I hate the fact that if I win - lose - lose, my first win is literally nothing.

54 Comments

Sraeg201319 votes

This is why I dodge the next game after losing a single game in a best-of-3 promo.

It saves me a game worth of MMR and LP, and I can immediately re-do the promo, because on the very next match I suddenly get people who can at the very least tie their shoelaces.

MysterQ10 votes

Wow that is probably pretty smart. I think I might start doing this, depending on how the draft goes. It is still 2 wins away, but the second promo should be easier.

Sraeg20139 votes

Yup and by purposely dodging promos you can inflate your MMR to the point you will skip divisions and have to play less promos.

crazyleb5052 votes

Actually, a dodge counts as a loss in your MMR, even if you only lose 3lp. So by dodging you are less likely to skip because your MMR will be lowered.

Jesus is Savior7 votes

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Actually, a dodge counts as a loss in your MMR, even if you only lose 3lp. So by dodging you are less likely to skip because your MMR will be lowered.

LMAO no. You are 100%, absolutely wrong.

Source: several people have bronze accounts with diamond MMR, because they intentionally dodge into negative LP before they play.

crazyleb5051 votes

Those Diamond MMR accounts in bronze take advantage of a loophole with promos:

https://www.in2lol.com/en/news/13487-the-bronze-player-with-diamond-mmr-i-just-felt-like-it

This person still has a win ratio of 255/179, which in an MMR based system where wins and losses mean everything.

Jesus is Savior3 votes

{quoted}

Those Diamond MMR accounts in bronze take advantage of a loophole with promos:

https://www.in2lol.com/en/news/13487-the-bronze-player-with-diamond-mmr-i-just-felt-like-it

This person still has a win ratio of 255/179, which in an MMR based system where wins and losses mean everything.

"Because Summoners don't lose MMR for dodging, it is possible to obtain a very high MMR, while remaining at low rankings, such as Bronze I." - directly from the article.

It has nothing to do with promos. He dodged promos because he was lazy (he wanted to actually play the game). The bronze 5 guy basically spends 24 hours just dodging nonstop into negative LP, then plays and wins until his bronze 4 promos, then dodges for hours into negative LP again.

Absolutely nothing to do with promos. Dodging does not lower your MMR. You can dodge into negative LP, or you can dodge promos, the end result is the same.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

This article is 3 years old. I'm pretty sure your elo-rank is tied to MMR. You can actually skip divisions if your MMR is high.

AmazoX1 votes

Yes can confirm that is possible, I have many friends who went duo in season 6 with smurfs and got on a winning streak & then skipped divisions.

Sraeg20131 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZaPPs2QUdU

Here, educate yourself.

BladeSingularity1 votes

... How did I not know this?

Sraeg20131 votes

Back in 2013 when the Ladder system was slapped on top of the ELO system (renamed to "MMR"), it was quickly discovered and was quite popular.

I wouldn't expect a relatively new player to learn that by themselves.

You can check a video on the "new" ranking system here.

Grimspeake7 votes

Idk man even if i go 0-2 in promos i only need to win 1 game to get back

ZILLAGULA36 votes

Obviously depends on your MMR, but you get the point.

Sraeg20132 votes

Then you are really above your current tier.

Grimspeake1 votes

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Then you are really above your current tier.

No it doesnt it just means u derserve the rank up. If u dont get that then ur around the rank you deserve

Sraeg20131 votes

If you are winning twice as much LP as losing, then there's a very high probability you will skip a division if not more.

Irelia Bot2 votes

up until the day when you lose 22 doing this and your win only gives you 21

Sraeg20132 votes

Pretty sure it "normalizes" at like 17 LP per win or loss.

Irelia Bot1 votes

This is losing 11 followed by another 11 and then winning 21

BladeSingularity6 votes

The 99 LP hell ...

notice me Sin pi4 votes

that's cuz ur MMR is higher than ur own rank, and that also means u r stuck in elohell

and when i say elo hell, i mean something like: You deserve g5 but stuck at s1 cuz of teammates holding u back

61939590DEL13 votes

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that's cuz ur MMR is higher than ur own rank, and that also means u r stuck in elohell

and when i say elo hell, i mean something like: You deserve g5 but stuck at s1 cuz of teammates holding u back

If we are exactly good than yea are teammates are holding us back. He's a nice little test boys playAmumu jungle or support and lets see why league of legends lacks team efficiency with strangers.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

#IDESERVECHALLENGUR

Faie4 votes

This post is just a straight up lie. It does count your LP, it's just hidden. if you go Win-Loss-Loss, you'll get put at around 80 LP, or 1 win away again.

arghilost3 votes

it always baffles me how little people understand how MMR in this game works. Stop worrying about one single game and look at the big picture. I will tank myself to -30 LP with dodges if i have to and keep pulling shitty teams. It doesn't matter at all, the next win just gives me +24 or some insane number.

The system will always attempt to slowly normalize your gains.

Brutalitops012 votes

Yeah, I can agree with this. I really feel like it should just subtract a flat 50 LP when you lose promos, rather than subtracting for every loss and adding back for every win.

With how many people have been downvoting my comment, I feel the need to explain why 50 LP. 50 LP is dead-center in the rating, and that's more than fair for it to put you back to. It's also 2-3 wins for me to get back into promos. I was also originally thinking to have it completely reset you back down to 0 LP with demote protection, as id you had just gotten into the rating in the first place. If you lose your promos, it's because you couldn't carry, and I personally think that you should be punished far more severely for this than you currently are.

Grimspeake15 votes

50lp?? Thats like 4 losses worth

Brutalitops011 votes

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50lp?? Thats like 4 losses worth

I did 50 because I typically gain 25 LP per win. This puts it at around 2-3 more wins to get back up. It also puts you dead center in the rating, rather than what I was initially thinking, dropping back down to 0. Personally, I think that 2 more wins to get back up to where you were is more than fair.

SoryInAdvance4 votes

i was thinking more like 15-20? Where tf did you pull 50 from?

OnlyGragasOnlyGG2 votes

I'm pretty sure your statement is false. It does count over 100 LP but just doesn't show it. I've had promos like Win+Win+Lose+Lose = 100 LP The maximun LP you can have after lost promos is 90 though, I think.

ZILLAGULA1 votes

Nah unfortunately not. The wins at 100 lp won't count for anything after.

Floupi1 votes

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ZILLAGULA1 votes

I've verified it yesterday. I won the first, then proceeded to lose 2 in a row. Dropped me to 57 lp.

Floupi1 votes

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ZILLAGULA1 votes

Yeah well I talked to my friends about it and most of them have this problem as well while some has what you explained! It seems really odd. We all play on EUNE btw.

ABlueQuaker2 votes

It's no secret that the Ranked System makes it much easier to drop than it is to climb. Demotion vs. promotion series (there's no formal demotion series system so you don't actually know how close to getting demoted you are). Losing promos and having to win multiple games to get back into them. Hard-carrying your team for 40 minutes only for Riot's matchmaking to place you with a team of morons who throw the next game within the first 5 minutes.

Bladerunner77771 votes

then don't lose

Khadaver3 votes

if it were that simple we would all be challenger

Bladerunner77771 votes

It's a joke

......

Veltox4 votes

http://s.quickmeme.com/img/dc/dc20c9a0cdf50b6525326b96f44a551cd3737273c8c75ffd14a38748ba313833.jpg

ExcusemeFellows1 votes

{quoted}

http://s.quickmeme.com/img/dc/dc20c9a0cdf50b6525326b96f44a551cd3737273c8c75ffd14a38748ba313833.jpg

It's not a pretty funny joke, but it's quite deep!

the weeaboo1 votes

You should get LP for win in the next Division

Papa Slothy1 votes

it should just drop you at one loss worth of LP

SiG DxD1 votes

99 lp ,no banked points g fucking g

CarameI Frappe1 votes

It always bothered me how you'd lose LP in promos ... I liked the idea of just a win / lose checklist and if you failed your promos, be placed automatically at 85 LP. Why? Because if you're not at the elo you should be, you'll drop down regardless because your performance doesn't match the elo you're in. But if you failed your promos because of teammates, you can prove you deserve to be higher up and get right back into promos.

Also, as you said it wouldn't be so bad if the way you win didn't matter but it does. Doing a win -> lose -> lose is worse than a lose -> win -> lose because the LP drop. I hate that too, and would rather dodge to lose my promos than risk losing anymore LP because of the win order I went about.

GirlsWasteXp1 votes

Idk about that. Last series I won-loss-loss and ended up at 90lp. I can tell you I'm not losing 5lp per loss so I'm pretty sure it counted the lp from that win. That's on NA tho idk if the system is different on different regions, but I would assume it's the same.

GoronMuncherV1 votes

Always hated this. Worst part is that win - lose - lose is how the majority of my promos go :/

Vaandir1 votes

They should just remove Promo games like they did in SMITE , the problem lies in the mmaking every time you are on a winning streak and get into promos you get teammates on loosing streaks that are just playing horrificly bad.

This shouldnt be the case imo , the game should try to find players that are in promos as well and have team up and play against each other.

This doesnt really help anyone if you get paired with people that are demoralized due to loosing streaks, just so you can demonstrate you belong in a different division by carrying 1v9 .

Ive checked this a couple times by now its always been like that , that system needs to change it doesnt make any sense at all.

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