Pretty Sure Swain Needs Buffs

SpongebobIsLife··4 votes·824 views

-Gets easily outraded by most mid laners -Ult damage is rather low for the long cd it has -Delay on demonflare feels terrible. -w is rather easy to dodge, so you rely on q and e to do damage in teamfights; however, for q to do any meaningful damage, you have to be up close and personal, e doesn't do that much damage and can land on targets outside of who you are aiming for due to the nature of the ability and i do not believe your passive's cd can be reduced by cdr. Swain just needs more damage.

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Xerath Aim Bot3 votes

Swain is fine.

ModCaliCoastReplay1 votes

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Swain is fine.

Is he?

He's at 47% winrate on average, routinely 43% or lower in high ELO.

Are you saying this because you care about the game and its balance - or because you don't have to play against his old version again?

I find it unjust that Swain was reworked so "safely" solely because of the level of complaining against him. I can think of half a dozen toplane champions who are still "cancer" if they get so much as a single kill, or even 20+ minutes in lane - but I never asked to nerf or rework them. But many people who never learned to play against Swain's old kit routinely and toxically complained about him - to the level where fighter hatred of Swain was considered a "meme" on these boards, and I was reprimanded just for defending him. I have generally been a defender of Riot in the past - but this rework was botched, and I have to say it. I have no idea why Swain's old kit was any more "bad for the game" than any other strongly snowballing champion. He was actually a lot harder to play skillfully than most of his detractors thought, and he provided a needed source of both tankiness/CC in the toplane that kept a lot of other "cancerous" toplane tanks and jungle assassins at bay.

It feels particularly bad because now I feel like the way to get a lane I can be long-term successful in is to do what I have always avoided, which is coming here to the forums to complain about balance, and to be a squeaky wheel - and to generally become the kind of person I have always disliked. I don't want to do it, but what do I do when my favorite champion - who was very close to a 50% winrate generally before the rework, and is now three to seven points below that - is reworked to pieces because others feel the answer to a lost game is to come here and complain about a champion they can't beat?

Escheton1 votes

-Swain also functions Top, Jungler and Support. Balancing solely for mid is foolish. -Ult isn't solely a dmg tool. It's also a survival and disruption tool so you can shotgun Q them more, for one. -True, but I personally like how it forces you to not yolo dive in and play smart, like a general. Given how it's based on how much life you leeched. -Vision of Empire is a glorious zoning tool, and the vision and range is great for scouting and getting assists. And is undodgeable by a target hit by E or passsive. -Swain already hits like a monster truck and I have yet to see a swain in my games that didn't get incredibly fed.

Coin2YourWitcher1 votes

what level are you playing at tho . above gold he is garbage youll see

Escheton1 votes

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what level are you playing at tho . above gold he is garbage youll see

Possibly, but not all champions are balanced for all levels of play. And lets see how things pan out with the ap item changes.

Dead flag blues1 votes

Ornn please don't make the same mistake... Swain seems fine imo, he seems to be a tanky-burst mage now (kinda like Vlad), they removed his sustained damage

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

he has no burst lol.

Meep Man1 votes

They removed his sustained damage? His Q is really go DPS.

zaire901 votes

Swains a top laner tho and hes annoying to fight up there so would rather they dont buff for mid lane Swain

Meep Man1 votes

Th issue with this is that I play him Top Lane and almost always win lane with him and then use his insane Q DPS late game to stay at least a bit relevant.

Ahri Baka1 votes

I like him in Top more than mid

Coin2YourWitcher1 votes

he needs more than more damage , needs anuther rework . needs to be reworked back into old swain

Vicious Warlord1 votes

I've been long thinking about new Swain... He is an extremely useful player with completed toolkit but some buffs in R (only in draining part) and lower animation time in W ofc

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