Can a champion reach Kassadin's high of a 97% ban rate?

Durfain·Apr 27, 2016·88 votes·7,478 views

I don't know, let's nerf QSS and nerf mana regeneration all in one patch. Yeah, that ought to do it!

132 Comments

Brimaz The KingApr 27, 201644 votes

Or how about gangplank 100% ban pick in lcs. In all regions.

LadyRenlyApr 28, 201624 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brimaz The King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEYEHFKs,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-27T21:50:38.939+0000)

Or how about gangplank 100% ban pick in lcs. In all regions.

never forget

RespectPlusApr 28, 201616 votes

When Riot released these new jungle items last year, I remember Warwick got something around 85% ban rate

Bouncemaster ZacApr 28, 201615 votes

{quoted}

When Riot released these new jungle items last year, I remember Warwick got something around 85% ban rate

Weedwick could one-shot tanks with ult + challenging smite on a 40s cooldown. The banrate was justified.

TotalJerkApr 28, 201612 votes

I don't understand how the first iteration of challenging smite came out and NO ONE thought "What if Warwick or Fiora buy this thing?"

mason waterApr 28, 20162 votes

what was it first like?

TotalJerkApr 28, 20168 votes

Original iteration gave upfront true damage on-hit against the smite target for a few seconds. It wasn't that OP by itself, but then you had Warwick and Fiora's old ult which applied on-hit effects each damage tick. So they would just smite then ult to get a fuckton of true damage in that small window. Enough that the damage from it was actually on par with ignite.

RoodToobApr 28, 20162 votes

IF I'm not mistaken, it was 64 true dmg on hit at 18. Add that to the Old devourer where they probably had the 40 base dmg plus 30 stacks, on top of their ults, on top of Bork. And yea, anyone died by smite R

Toru ItaiApr 28, 20168 votes

and then his ult got a 200 base damage nerf, then smite nerf and item nerf.

TheThundersRoarApr 28, 20164 votes

And his W lost half its duration. Maxing W used to be viable before that patch :P

Nightshade17Apr 28, 201611 votes

I'm shocked, I was expecting Ekko

EndlessSorcererApr 28, 201611 votes

Ekko almost made it last patch.

It was a valient effort.

ArakadiaApr 28, 20162 votes

What was the percent? Around like 80% I heard. I know it was 67% at one time.

Bobloser3555Apr 27, 20169 votes

and you think Zed is the only one benefiting from those nerfs?

IonianApr 28, 20163 votes

{quoted}

and you think Zed is the only one benefiting from those nerfs?

No but he already has a 60% ban rate and pretty much everyone and their mom know at least the basics of playing Zed.

TarynApr 28, 20163 votes

I play Sona like all the time so you could basically say I'm already a master at playing Zed as well.

IonianApr 28, 20162 votes

{quoted}

I play Sona like all the time so you could basically say I'm already a master at playing Zed as well.

Both have the same amount of skillshots :DDDDD

1 800 MID LANEApr 27, 20167 votes

Whoa. 97%? O_O

DurfainApr 27, 201632 votes

Yeah was like two years ago or something but was pretty hilarious lol

Darius StradaApr 28, 201617 votes

{quoted}

Yeah was like two years ago or something but was pretty hilarious lol

The good ol' lol days. The game was actually funny at that time

rtbf225618241Apr 28, 20165 votes

And extremely unbalanced. It was fun but stupid. Kinda like URF level fun when it first came out.

Vistha KaiApr 28, 20162 votes

"Two years ago" -> "when it first came out".

U wot?

rtbf225618241Apr 28, 201610 votes

Well URF did release in 2014 which was two years ago.

sp441Apr 28, 20168 votes

No.

Kassadin was anything but fun to fight against.

It was the equivalent of a kid pulling a everything-proof shield.

I deliberately avoided picking Mid back then just because I didn't want to fight Kassadin.

SpecterVonBarenApr 28, 20164 votes

He said funny, not fun. Pain often comes with amusement.

DeathToEcchiApr 28, 20169 votes

Same time Morg had a ban rate of 98% and you were a troll if you went supp with her.

RookPusherApr 27, 20164 votes

{quoted}

Whoa. 97%? O_O

Yes, but it balanced. Those times when he wasn't banned, players hadn't seen him in so long most didn't know how to play him. He just was super mobile, so that player wouldn't feed.

Also, I feel like Zed is easily squashable. Assuming your team doesn't quit as soon as he's picked, or asked around about how to handle yourself when you're down two kills.

Counter pick. Lane swap. Group fight. CC. Do some things.

A Miss FortuneApr 28, 201625 votes

I like how you have to put 110% effort into even hoping to defeat Zed while he can instantly win the game just by hitting 6.

ZedexApr 28, 20162 votes

He only wins at 6 if you've messed up numerous times in lane and allow him to. Zed's an outplayer. Stop playing into his shadows.

LankPantsApr 28, 20169 votes

Zed's an outplayer, that's why he has insane poke and manaless waveclear so he can attrition mages out of lane.

billxxApr 28, 20165 votes

Or, pick Kayle.

Vistha KaiApr 28, 20163 votes

He still pushes Kayle out of the lane.

Or she doesn't back and is so low on HP that Zed's ult won't matter.

billxxApr 28, 20164 votes

From what I've seen, Kayle waveclears better than zed early, she is a lot easier to play, and her ult counters his entire kit. All she has to do is stand behind minions so his shurikens do reduced dmg and harass him whenever he uses his spells.

Vistha KaiApr 28, 20167 votes

Unless Kayle magically makes herself 40% CDR, she can't stay in her ranged form, therefore having to farm in melee range, therefore getting poked for free by Zed, therefore losing mana on heal, therefore eventually losing all mana.

billxxApr 28, 20164 votes

That's why she uses her ranged form for damage only after he uses his spells. If she can dodge most of his skills, she should be fine. You seem to forget, his shadow has a 22 second cd at rank 1, and it is the skill he Max's last. You simply have to play around his shadow. He uses it for poke, go ham because he has nothing, at least pre 6, but that's why you pick Kayle.

PoskeApr 28, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Whoa. 97%? O_O

yep and he was played in those 3% games

arc95Apr 28, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Whoa. 97%? O_O

Kassawin used to be ridiculous

Akali is SO HOTApr 28, 20165 votes

I don't think Riot could possibly make anyone more broken than old Kass even if they tried

ArakadiaApr 28, 20166 votes

Give Leblanc a reset passive like Kats?

Hyper10sionApr 28, 201610 votes

Did you not see release Leblanc or XinZhao

SnugglePuggle94Apr 28, 20165 votes

Or release Zyra

Hyper10sionApr 28, 20166 votes

LB and Xin were worse

wastamelonzApr 28, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Did you not see release or

why was lb so broken? Just because her q silence or was there something else i didn't hear about?

Hyper10sionApr 28, 20164 votes

Her ranges were higher, her cooldowns were lower, she had a silence, more damage on ultimate, and mana costs so low you could spam it and never run out. She was like a more slippery and deadly version of release Ekko.

EvereldaApr 28, 20166 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEYEHFKs,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-04-28T05:09:36.398+0000)

I don't think Riot could possibly make anyone more broken than old Kass even if they tried

please dont challenge riot's stupidity......... it wakes up and we are all DOOMED!

The DeckownerApr 28, 20162 votes

release jax?

wastamelonzApr 28, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEYEHFKs,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-04-28T05:09:36.398+0000)

I don't think Riot could possibly make anyone more broken than old Kass even if they tried

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI1aeS5H1Vs

Guy Fox TeemoApr 28, 20163 votes

Well thats true he may be strong, things like the Malz and Annie buffs, are going to really fuck him up. (Also getting zhonya's earlier preventing the harder snowball)

Also some of the mages kits seem to be Insanely OP, in numbers, now while Zed does counter a lot of these mages, there powre seems to overvalue that of Zeds even if he did bit you in lane (They'll become much more relevant later on then Zed)

LatetotheRaceApr 28, 20165 votes

Malz buff is not gonna phaze zed tbh, neither will annie. Zed still does a ton of damage, a little less won't hurt him.

Guy Fox TeemoApr 28, 20167 votes

Malz buff gives him 90% damage reduction and cannot be cc'd for a full second after being hit? This will slow down Zeds combo a lot and his all in potential, if he didn't previously pop the shield.

Annie now has a 40% ddamage reduction instead of armor and mr, which can be negated through armor pen, mr pen.

They will shit on him, and now Malz can proc his dot several times on Zed pushing him out of lane even more and even under tower.

They will shit on him, Zed doing "Lots of DAMAGE!" doesn't mean anything if he's getting shat out before he can do anything meaningful, if you can't see that you're very biased, because Circle Jerk Zed hate.

For other mages I cannot say whether or not they will fair better (There kits were massively fucking buffed), also some item changes help them out against Zed (earlier zhonyas, less snowbally to quickly),