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You can't seriously be considering buffing Teemo

ChoGathsSon··9 votes·1,123 views

Of all the champions in this game, regardless of their current state and Kit issues, this is literally the one champion you cannot directly buff. No phreak intended here, but figuratively and literally, he has the absolute most toxic kit in this game. His kit serves no other purpose but to frustrate you.

I get that it's PBE and nothing is ever set in stone but to even be considering this is insane, have you lost your minds? Don't even give me that bullshit about Teemo players deserve a right to not have their champion be trash tier, they know what they got into when they decided they'd main a champion like Teemo. And players who don't play him equally have the right to not be driven to the brink of insanity by playing against such a piss poor excuse of a design as this. He doesn't serve any purpose, instead of buffing him, you need to rework the fucking shit out of this champion and completely overhaul his kit.

These are also changes that are making him EVEN HARDER TO GANK, and for many champions that have the displeasure of laning against him, camping Teemo is often the only way they're allowed to have any interaction in the game. This champion can't be good, he already got a massive indirect buff with the rylais/Liandrys changes and you're considering this now. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you people. I'd rather you fucking buff Yorick before buffing this abomination.

Please, Riot, get a clue here. This is not a good move..

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Sachabot3 votes

I don't have PBE access, can you talk about the changes for those of us who can't see them?

Edit: I went to S@20. WTF.

ChoGathsSon1 votes

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I don't have PBE access, can you talk about the changes for those of us who can't see them?

Edit: I went to S@20. WTF.

this just reassures me of my theory on how they buff champions. They have a portrait of every champion on a wall and throw darts at them while blindfolded, the champions hit receive random buffs. Sometimes after a skin release, a champion is discovered to "be in need of help" (super Galaxy Rumble cough cough)

Sinneli2 votes

Ehem. Allow me to tell you about the stat changes that involves Teemo's shrooms.

Well, you know. Passive is 1.5 seconds on flat ground, 0.75 seconds on bushes while being able to move while stealthed so long as he is in the bush. That's a buff on his passive, which initially took 2 seconds.

His ultimate, which is the thought of a 'buff' that I'm going to talk about. There is no nerf to his damage. It's going to hurt you regardless, but allow me to state what three changes that is a direct nerf to his shrooms.

  1. His slow decay over time rather than 30%/40%/50% the entire goddamned 4 seconds.
  2. The arm time became 1.5 seconds instead of 1.0.
  3. The shroom expiration date is reduced to 5 minutes instead of 10.

So Teemo will have less shrooms placed at the map than he would since after 5 minutes, shrooms will start falling off. Arm time will make it so that you could dodge the goddamned shroom before it finishes bouncing, lands, and arms itself. That's a long time there, but gives him more safety in teamfights post-11. Pre-11, he'll be the same Teemo. So no worries there. Increase in range of his shrooms mean more baron control and dragon control in midst of a fight. Not that unexpected. The hellspawn yordle was always a zone controller. Just expect him to set up a little later instead of not having to need it at all after setting up 10 minutes before the dragon spawns again.

I'm sure you know the rest. Bounce on the shrooms.

So overall it's a huge nerf to the omnipresent mushroom demigod and a bit of a buff to 'this champion will make your life hurt.'

John JJ Schmidt1 votes

{quoted} Pre-11, he'll be the same Teemo. So no worries there.

Shroom-wise. But his passive also got a major AS buff. From 40% flat to scaling 15%-100%. At 11, he's already 65% AS increase just for stopping in a bush for .75 secs ;)

Sinneli1 votes

Those are ridiculously short and you can stay away from the bushes. That passive is only used during ambushes that Teemo is so good for, so it really is an unnoticeable buff.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

yup. the last couple times they nerfed him because his shrooms got ridiculous after the vision changes and there are little ways to get rid of them.

now theyre buffing his stealth and let him plant them at range, so he never has to take a risk again to actually move where he wants to plant them. really dumb move.

the only way i can see this not going horribly wrong is if they add sweeper items into this game.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I actually think something like Youmuu's could use Lightbringer's ability to see stealthed objects ONLY. Not anything like Twitch's Q or Shaco's Q for example. I would say mainly this on Youmuu's because It's sort of an all-in-one item that's used for AD, AS, Crit, Penetration.

John JJ Schmidt1 votes

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yup. the last couple times they nerfed him because his shrooms got ridiculous after the vision changes and there are** little ways to get rid of them**.

Is there _any _ way, other than wasting a CD on your Sweeping Lens/Oracle's Lens?

Critmaster Garen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=John JJ Schmidt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAoyyBOA,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-07-24T16:18:33.255+0000)

Is there _any _ way, other than wasting a CD on your Sweeping Lens/Oracle's Lens?

you can waste pink wards.

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