Until Akali is nerfed and her shroud revealed by towers....

Morgana Ultima·Aug 13, 2018·3 votes·2,534 views

I encourage players to simply afk in the games she's in. The game is not playable in this state if she's not banned.

15 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonAug 13, 20185 votes

Ironic, considering that Morgana mid simply renders her shroud irrelevant. Press R, and you have a nice line telling you exactly where she is, regardless of whether or not she's under your tower. And your only targeted ability is your E, so her shroud is completely fucking irrelevant for you.

If you're regularly losing to Akali as a Morgana mid, you deserve to be a full rank lower than where you are. Sure, you'll lose some matches, because that's just how it goes, but there is absolutely no reason for you to not win lane versus her.

Also, she IS revealed under turret: it gives a very easy to see outline of her. You just can't auto or use targeted abilities on her while she's in it

Morgana UltimaAug 13, 20181 votes

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Ironic, considering that Morgana mid simply renders her shroud irrelevant. Press R, and you have a nice line telling you exactly where she is, regardless of whether or not she's under your tower. And your only targeted ability is your E, so her shroud is completely fucking irrelevant for you.

If you're regularly losing to Akali as a Morgana mid, you deserve to be a full rank lower than where you are. Sure, you'll lose some matches, because that's just how it goes, but there is absolutely no reason for you to not win lane versus her.

Also, she IS revealed under turret: it gives a very easy to see outline of her. You just can't auto or use targeted abilities on her while she's in it

I didn't lose to her mid. We went even, but I have no kill pressure without ult because of her nonultimate ability. Also, she can tower dive people in other lanes with impunity. There is zero counter play. It is actually the stupidest shit I've ever seen on a video game.

I don't care that you can see her outline. I care that she isn't targettable. I also hate that she has a ridiculous amount of mobility for no reason. The design is absolutely disgusting.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 13, 20187 votes

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I have no kill pressure without ult

FTFY. Morgana has no fucking kill pressure at all without the opponent being actually stupid or without ult.

Also, she can tower dive people in other lanes with impunity.

She can dive fairly easily, but any skillshot at all is stupidly easy to land. Also, once there she has a bit harder of a time getting out than most assassins. Sure, she can sit under your tower for 5 seconds, but she also kinda needs to at times, while a Zed or Talon or Leblanc can just combo you and get out in under a second and a half, taking less turret shots than she will.

Also, she still gets shot every time she uses an ability to attack you. Turret shots don't miss.

There is zero counter play.

Dodge E, dodge Q, dodge R, walk out of W, stay close enough so she can't get passive procs. All are viable options that everyone can do. You don't even need to do all of them, either!

It is actually the stupidest shit I've ever seen on a video game.

There is far dumber shit in every game, including League. Remember: Wukong can dash at you and kill you in under a second, and you can't react at all because he ran at you while invisible, then stat-checked you to death.

I don't care that you can see her outline.

But that's what actually matters to a Morgana. Or for any lane, actually.

I care that she isn't targettable.

So you're upset because there's finally counterplay to point and click damage?

I also hate that she has a ridiculous amount of mobility for no reason. The design is absolutely disgusting.

She's an assasssin, she's kinda meant to be mobile. She has one less dash than before rework, and one of her current dashes is conditional on her hitting something with E.

Morgana UltimaAug 13, 20181 votes

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FTFY. Morgana has no fucking kill pressure at all without the opponent being actually stupid or without ult.

She can dive fairly easily, but any skillshot at all is stupidly easy to land. Also, once there she has a bit harder of a time getting out than most assassins. Sure, she can sit under your tower for 5 seconds, but she also kinda needs to at times, while a or or can just combo you and get out in under a second and a half, taking less turret shots than she will.

Also, she still gets shot every time she uses an ability to attack you. Turret shots don't miss.

Dodge E, dodge Q, dodge R, walk out of W, stay close enough so she can't get passive procs. All are viable options that everyone can do. You don't even need to do all of them, either!

There is far dumber shit in every game, including League. Remember: Wukong can dash at you and kill you in under a second, and you can't react at all because he ran at you while invisible, then stat-checked you to death.

But that's what actually matters to a Morgana. Or for any lane, actually.

So you're upset because there's finally counterplay to point and click damage?

She's an assasssin, she's kinda meant to be mobile. She has one less dash than before rework, and one of her current dashes is conditional on her hitting something with E.

You're like bronze 4. This isn't even worth debating with you. You can't even cs in lane and we're talking about counter play. I'm in games with all plats and this stuff is absolutely aids.

I have like 40 friends in diamond. Almost all think she's cancerous and a permaban. The top 15% of the game thinks its poor champion design. Just stop.

I'm not even saying this to be rude. There is counter play to an Akali, but it isn't always available. Do you think an Akali is going to tower dive you on anything but a free kill in higher level games? Let's say you're at like 40% hp. That's a free kill for the Akali and there's nothing you can do about it because of the shroud.

Nobody is saying that Akali is going to 1v9. However, her ability to safely secure kills is absolutely ridiculous.

Let's say you're playing mid and you went even with Akali. It's a duel and you're both at 50% after a trade. YOU ARE FUCKED. You had better book it out of the lane immediately because the next time her shroud and dash are off cooldown you are gone. So basically she traded even and then won because of it due to her immensely safe kill pressure.

MuxxikAug 13, 20183 votes

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You're like bronze 4. This isn't even worth debating with you. You can't even cs in lane and we're talking about counter play. I'm in games with all plats and this stuff is absolutely aids.

Alright, since you're gonna jump straight to ad hominem: I'm in the same tier as you and I have hundreds of games played on Akali with many games on the reworked Akali.

I have like 40 friends in diamond. Almost all think she's cancerous and a permaban. The top 15% of the game thinks its poor champion design. Just stop.

So ad hominem straight into appeal to authority. Like where this is going.

I'm not even saying this to be rude. There is counter play to an Akali, but it isn't always available. Do you think an Akali is going to tower dive you on anything but a free kill in higher level games? Let's say you're at like 40% hp. That's a free kill for the Akali and there's nothing you can do about it because of the shroud.

"It isn't always available". Cool, so she just joined the same club as literally every other champion in league. The counterplay to a champion's kit isn't meant to be available at all times. What is Karthus' counterplay? Build Zhonya's, or Banshees, or GA, or enough MR to deal with the ult and stay out of his way during teamfights. "But my Zhonyas/Banshees/GA was on cooldown!" Cool, then you're just screwed, that's how champions work. Sometimes they can use their kit on you, that doesn't make them broken.

I play Karthus almost exclusively at the moment. If I was at 40% HP at level 6, and so was the enemy Zed/Fizz/Akali/Talon/LeBlanc, I would have to back. That's just how the match up works. I can tell you right now, of those five, Akali is not the worst champion to be in that position against.

Nobody is saying that Akali is going to 1v9. However, her ability to safely secure kills is absolutely ridiculous.

Let's say you're playing mid and you went even with Akali. It's a duel and you're both at 50% after a trade. YOU ARE FUCKED. You had better book it out of the lane immediately because the next time her shroud and dash are off cooldown you are gone. So basically she traded even and then won because of it due to her immensely safe kill pressure.

This literally is not how Akali works. If you are both at 50% HP, and she's about to get her E up, then your job is to bait her E out. If it's post 6 and she has ult and ignite still up, then you may need to back depending on what champion you're playing, what cooldowns you have left available, your mana/energy, etc. If you have resources left to stay in lane, there are plenty of circumstances where Akali would lose the fight that follows the first trade. I can tell you this from experience, Akali can easily lose the fight; if you don't think so, play her yourself, and teach the rest of us who actually have experience with her how she should actually be played.

Morgana UltimaAug 13, 20181 votes

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Alright, since you're gonna jump straight to ad hominem: I'm in the same tier as you and I have hundreds of games played on Akali with many games on the reworked Akali.

So ad hominem straight into appeal to authority. Like where this is going.

"It isn't always available". Cool, so she just joined the same club as literally every other champion in league. The counterplay to a champion's kit isn't meant to be available at all times. What is Karthus' counterplay? Build Zhonya's, or Banshees, or GA, or enough MR to deal with the ult and stay out of his way during teamfights. "But my Zhonyas/Banshees/GA was on cooldown!" Cool, then you're just screwed, that's how champions work. Sometimes they can use their kit on you, that doesn't make them broken.

I play Karthus almost exclusively at the moment. If I was at 40% HP at level 6, and so was the enemy Zed/Fizz/Akali/Talon/LeBlanc, I would have to back. That's just how the match up works. I can tell you right now, of those five, Akali is not the worst champion to be in that position against.

This literally is not how Akali works. If you are both at 50% HP, and she's about to get her E up, then your job is to bait her E out. If it's post 6 and she has ult and ignite still up, then you may need to back depending on what champion you're playing, what cooldowns you have left available, your mana/energy, etc. If you have resources left to stay in lane, there are plenty of circumstances where Akali would lose the fight that follows the first trade. I can tell you this from experience, Akali can easily lose the fight; if you don't think so, play her yourself, and teach the rest of us who actually have experience with her how she should actually be played.

Okay so which of those champions is IMMUNE to towers?

MuxxikAug 13, 20183 votes

Fizz during his E. Zed during his R. Leblanc when she combos under tower and is out before the tower can shoot.

Also, Akali is not immune to tower damage with her W. In order to not get hit by tower damage, she has to time her attacks exactly in time with the end of an auto shot from the tower, or she will get hit every time she qs or autos.

im still toxicAug 13, 20185 votes

Love posts like this. Always a good laugh

Pokemonred200Aug 13, 20182 votes

Truth be told, I ban her because no one knows how to play her yet and she's hilariously bad when you're not good at her.

And when the player does now how to play her, it feels like the shroud is the least annoying part of her kit.

CauseSCIENCEAug 13, 20181 votes

or just play swain Swain , he's a huge counter to her.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 13, 20183 votes

Swain, Kassadin, Morgana, Ahri...They stomp her silly.

And a lot of champions are still good into her, if they don't directly counter her.

hOrnnAug 13, 20181 votes

i thought it was bs that when i revealed her with one of those jungle wave thingies, when she shrouds she still stays stealth.

CauseSCIENCEAug 13, 20181 votes

Oh god its time for a board argument

PhieldworkerAug 13, 20181 votes

Galio is a good way to fight her. His q and w make it easier to hit her in the shroud. E makes it so she gets rocked when she tries to e in. And his tankiness makes it hard for her to just burst him down.

Cr3atorSep 27, 20181 votes

I don't agree with the afk'ing because you can't compete with the new akali rework, but I do agree any part of her shroud that's under tower, should make her targetable by the TOWER.

Only part that should be fixed is the fact the tower shouldn't lose aggro. Towers are there to protect the players in the early game, that safety zone to discourage really early ganks, or at least make it harder. She negates the tower after AAing under the tower - broken.

There's no fear of a tower killing you if you can dive it, and then make the tower lose aggro of you without leaving it's range.