Who counters riven toplane?

dontspinbutwin·Apr 9, 2019·2 votes·1,869 views

This isn't a toxic post. I was fine with riven before, as I main Darius. However, as items got released, Darius slowly began to lose this matchup hard, and right now, she even cleaves through aftershock darius: which leads me to the conclusion that darius just isn't as optimal against riven anymore.

So the question is who is? I found some decent success with illaoi, but illaoi is a bit of a niche pick, and I'm sure there are others.

I was thinking champions like jax, gnar, and olaf might do really well against her. Anyone else who does good against her?

16 Comments

The thigh guyApr 9, 20193 votes

After 1 item nothing counters her unless she fucks up

feintfiendApr 9, 20192 votes

Kennen Renekton I guess?? They counter a majority of top laners though Riven has no true counter, every matchup can be won, she is the best top laner in the game ofc

letsfeedtogetherApr 9, 20192 votes

Id say renek isnt really a counter. If the riven know how to play the game she will play safe and out scale him by like lvl 8

GaliöApr 9, 20192 votes

Garen does ok into her cause of the silence and free stats.

Trundle can do ok into her cause he steals her AD with Q and can steal other defenses with R.

Jax can do well, cause Jax.

I think Malphite can do ok even with her having conqueror.

Kennen can do well as well as annoy her, which is always fun... being annoying.

All I can think of to have more chance of an advantage.

Other than that just gotta outplay da player

AS I LAY FEEDINGApr 9, 20192 votes

Ranged only, if you think a melee can beat riven you must be high. Even if it were a close 1v1 as a melee riven will just beat you at 6. Also wonder how many times my jungler have just walked up to riven and died instantly and when you see a triumph proc on riven with fully stacked conq you lose the 2v1.

Even if you were ranged riven can just flash stun you and knock up and you die. My counter pick to Riven is Pantheon with conquoror. Because when riven engages you, you allready have 5stacks of conq and riven dont.

Super SandmanneApr 9, 20191 votes

I'm consistently able to beat Riven as Kled. That's true of most top laners though

dontspinbutwinApr 9, 20192 votes

yeah I've tried kled before vs her, but it's not my "go to", as I feel like dismounted kled it far too exploitable vs ulted riven.

QuáxApr 9, 20191 votes

Garen and Chogath are ones I find the best matches with her.

AlzonApr 9, 20191 votes

Try AP Shyvana.

SaezioApr 9, 20191 votes

Jayce If you can play him to a good level should do fine against her I believe. You got MS so she can't run you down without her F and you have very good chance to poke her. LeeSin Lee has always been a good champ to fight riven in the top lane, but Idk if it still works right now. Olaf has also always been good into riven.

P.S. Since you main Darius, have you tried to go HoB against her and rush titanic 1st item for insta 5 stack?

dontspinbutwinApr 9, 20192 votes

HoB is a rune a lot of newer Darius players get, mainly for the same reason some get lethal tempo. The idea of getting 5 stacks sounds amazing. However, while this is quite useful(to an extent) in lane, it's near useless late game, as the utility the other runes give you are far more useful in the later game.

Titanic rushing first item is quite useless honestly. Well, not useless, but there are better items. Darius lacks mobility, and needs to stick on the opponent. Because of this, even though he has a quite a bit of slows, phage is a staple on Darius. The auto reset on titanic is nice, but thats all titanic provides. Darius has decent waveclear already, and his damage is already insanely high. What Darius needs is stickiness and tankiness. In a riven matchup, Riven has far much higher damage output, and since darius's sustain comes from his outer Q, riven can easily dash in and destroy darius in a short 1v1 burst trade. Building damage as darius destroys him. Building tank allows you to survive, and get the option to either try to punish her retreat, or retreat yourself. While HoB and Titanic grants an easier 5 stacks, by the time I get 5 stacks, I would die in a raw 1v1. In the scenario I would be incorrect and actually win this trade with this build/rune, riven can simply choose not to fight... making this a lose lose. The optimal way to build dari would be a phage item, with survivability tank stats (with sterraks most likely to negate enemy burst). Trick riven into making foolish 1v1s, and cheese her. If you succeed, you win lane. If you fail, then you get hard stomped....and seeing how a skilled riven can choose her fights (with darius's ideal playstyle is counterengage), Dari in no circumstance is an ideal fighter vs riven.

SaevumApr 9, 20191 votes

Trinity would be a better choice and buildpath than titanic Hydra. Along with extra mana and 20% cdr, and 5% extra passive ms tbh.

SaezioApr 10, 20191 votes

That would not let you get insta 5 stack though. That's the whole point of the build, to get Noxian might asap

TargonApr 9, 20191 votes

According to OP.GG, your best chance through the laning phase is playing Renekton as he seems to have the highest lane kill pressure against Riven (apart from Volibear top, but that seems like a very niche pick).

Renekton's Q sustain will make it hard for Riven to push you out of lane, especially considering Riven has low health regen and no sustain before a few items.

Renekton's W is instant and can be hard for Riven to predict her E into.

Renekton's R kinda counters Riven as it will require Riven to deal more damage to you to get to the threshold where her ultimate deals enough damage to execute you.

Riven and Renekton's trade patterns are quite similar to. Go in, CC your target, unload your damage, and escape before your opponent can retaliate. Renekton can also make good use out of Spear of Shojin like Riven to get 2-stuns off in a longer fight like she can.

That said, Renekton gets hard outscaled as mentioned by someone else.

ILOVEH2OApr 9, 20191 votes

Garen. Raw damage, silence, built-in armor and magic resist, and a burst ability. Doesn't matter whether you get the first kill or not, you can stack armor considering you already have so much built-in damage and sustain, not to mention you'll always win trades because of your silence, and your passive regen.