When you hear how Spear of Shojin is being removed, but so Is ZZ'rot and Ohmwrecker

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You forgot literally every crit item that gets built every single game

nah. i included infinity edge and phantom dancer. if you build something else it's because it's character specific. like jhin running stormrazer or someone playing statikk akali. these builds aren't really optimal due to how crit works. if you're building essence reaver and you're not ezreal you're wrong.

I went and checked all of your recent op.gg matches and found that even in your games (you're gold ranked) the people you're playing with who build critical will build primarily IE or PD. if anything else is built it's based on the specific champion chosen. for example jhin was sometimes in your matches and he'd build RFC instead of PD.

there's also a massive correlation with how the player is rated by OP.gg as far as what they built and more often than not the players that strayed from the typical PD and IE builds were averaging around 9th place on the team. in fact one platinum player ended the match in 10th place building RFC and IE on jhin. Another Diamond player that built IE and PD was MVP against a lucian building essence reaver and RFC who ended the match in 10th place.

and ton of times there was a twisted fate that basically bombed out in score every time you matched with him because he was building shiv and RFC instead of just playing safe. He relied heavily on his gold card instead of just going for a traditional caster build.

but the only items I saw regularly on someone that placed higher on the charts was IE.

[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=zQGgy3rv,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-10-24T00:10:47.257+0000)

BotRK needs to be deleted alongside Guinso's and IE stacking bonuses. % health damage is r%%%%%ed.

I think %hp damage is dumb when it's not on an item specifically design with the sole intent of shredding tanks.

honestly if you put %hp on an item like runaans (without the spread shot feature) I think it makes a lot of sense

I think taking the stance that mortal reminder and lord dominiks are tank shredding items right? and then making it to where one prevents healing and the other is a "giant slayer" makes a lot of sense.

instead of calling them "mortal reminder" and "lord dominik's" they could be "immortal bane" and "Giant Bane"

give "immortal bane" one the ability to apply grievous wounds through physical damage and armor penetration

and

give "Giant Bane" the ability to deal physical damage based on %max HP (making it blockable with armor) and a small amount of lifesteal.

to me this would make more sense thematically and gameplay wise because if you're building a ton of HP you're probably going to be building very little armor. And if you're building regen you will likely need armor and magic resist to make regen worth while.

when fighting a champion that is going for regen you need to reduce their healing capabilities and penetrate the armor (mundo, garen, maokai, soraka, for example)

with max hp champs like chogath and sion you're going to need to keep topped off so they dont execute you.

and then we could turn Blade of the Ruined King into what it was always supposed to be. A fighter's item for forcing fights and chasing down evasive champs.

25% attack speed. 50 damage 5% movement speed

Unique active - blood lust. gain 25% additional attack speed, 10% additional movement speed and 8% lifesteal. or something.

[{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=zQGgy3rv,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-10-24T02:14:36.600+0000)

what about ?

if you're building bloodthirster then your opponents dont understand how to build grievous wounds. the extra 80 damage isn't worth the cost. it's a 3500 item that's on good for pve.

that's my opinion.

especially when IE is 3400 and gives you 25% crit and 225% damage per crit. and blade of the ruined king grants 40 damage with 15 bonus damage minimum and can be used to clear out tanks. 12% lifesteal is plenty plus you get 25% attack speed so you're getting your 80 damage at a rate of ~.75 the speed. for 200 gold less. not to mention many of the champions that need lifesteal require attack speed to be effective.

the cost doesn't outweigh the benefits. you're paying 300 gold for an extra 8% lifesteal.

[{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=zQGgy3rv,comment-id=00000004,timestamp=2019-10-24T04:24:50.972+0000)

Bro!

takes up 2 item slots for a DoT build that requires you to stay alive for 5 seconds while in combat. brand is burst, elise is a weird hybrid burst/fighter that has assassin abilities (why?), zyra is a control mage, and so the only one that's right for this build is swain, but swain's Q W and E are so expensive in mana and the shockwave can be blocked so if you're relying on your R to get kills you've already done something wrong. your Q is your main damage dealer. the R is just thematic and meant for suppressing the opponent's desire to engage during teamfights.

< negates all magic based DoT and if you're not building this against DoT you're wrong.

unless you build abyssal instead of RoA are better in all circumstances because your opponent is going to heal out of your damage increase by simply CC'ing you and feasting from you with blade of the ruined king.

in the instance that you do build abyssal you're going to end up sacrificing the benefits of AP from RoA then you have to anti heal and get cooldown while also thinking about what you're going to do for armor as an immobile battle mage because if you go zhonya then you're shooting yourself in the foot because your R wont work correctly.

?

now you're still vulnerable to assassins that deal direct ability physical damage and not through their basic attacks.

at best you'll cause your opponent to use their flash if they're immobile. at worst? you'll waste gold on an item combo that counters itself due to damage meta.

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As bruiser player, There's letarly 2 item left to build and they are actualy worth it

right? frozen mallet just makes you a health potion for blade of the ruined king and hydra is a trap. black cleaver is useful if you're able to apply constant physical like darius though.

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=zQGgy3rv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-23T18:47:43.832+0000)

Item removals Zz’rot Portal This item has led to split push strategies that don’t involve enough champion interaction. We may revisit this type of strategic item in the future, but it would require more risk for the champion user to apply tower pressure.

What a shit company, "zzrot needs more risk" you have too be next too a tower for the spawns too reach the tower and you have too shove the wave in yourself.

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=zQGgy3rv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-23T18:47:43.832+0000)

Item removals Zz’rot Portal This item has led to split push strategies that don’t involve enough champion interaction. We may revisit this type of strategic item in the future, but it would require more risk for the champion user to apply tower pressure. Ohmwrecker This item has been underused and underpowered for a very long time. The tower disable effect is an interesting interaction that can exist in LoL, but it has been hard to balance in the item space because we would not be happy if we saw tower disable become a baseline on most team comps. Raptor Cloak With no items to build into, we can clean this up. Shurelya’s Reverie Reworked Shurelya's has had a hard time finding users and overlaps considerably with Righteous Glory. We want to try and shift it to enchanter stats to create a new option for supports and leave tanks with Righteous as an option. Updated Shurelia’s: Forbidden Idol + Crystalline Bracer + 850g (total cost 2300g) 300hp 10% CDR 100% health regen 100% mana regen 10% heal/shield power Active: 40% movement speed for 3s for you and nearby allies (90s cooldown) Kircheis Shard buff This middle tier item has been quite underpowered and a bit of a trap to build early. Kircheis Shard damage 50 >>> 60 Damage from Energized procs now stacks, rather than using the strongest one Stormrazor proc buffed from 50 to 60-80 based on level Statikk Shiv and RFC Energized proc reduced from 60-140 to 60-80 Coming Soon Melee vs ranged lanes Primarily we want to make sure that we have mechanics to safeguard from ranged champions taking over top lane, which is the primary place where we get melee 1v1 matchups Current iterations have some additional melee only power added to Doran’s Shield Final icons for new items What you’re seeing are very early sketches, updates will be coming soon Stormrazor improvements We’re hoping to both improve the power of Stormrazor (as it’s only viable for 1 champ currently) and find ways to make it a more appealing item for more players. Should be some updates in the next week on this. Tons of visual polish and performance improvements We are still finishing up all of the pieces for each elemental rift to make them feel unique and alive. Additionally in the final weeks we will be cleaning up a lot of stuff under the hood to make sure that there are no FPS drops or hitches with all of the new art. A few more things still might be coming. We’re testing out a few other item changes and making sure that we have mechanics in place so that we can tune every position after launch if we need to adjust. We hope you enjoy playing Rise of the Elements early and we would love to hear feedback or any issues you encounter in the wild. -The Summoner’s Rift Team"

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/10/1022-pbe-update-tft-set-2-preseason.html

Lol, the only thing they are doing for melee vs ranged top is slightly changing dorans shield (exactly like they did last preseason which didn't make the tiniest difference) and even if it works (which it won't) rip literally every melee that has mana problems... so most of them

what do you mean? did they change it?