I support Shen's sustain nerfs, but

Enosetc··6 votes·1,092 views

Why the hell were Vlad's nerfs removed from the PBE (and never shipped to live) when he has the exact same problem?

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Only Play Darius3 votes

Vlad becomes an obnoxious immovable once he gets spellvamp yes, it's one of his core problems.

However, Shen was immovable in lane, would shove to your turret, then teleport bottom lane and get the game snowballed. You couldn't force him out of lane so it was extremely difficult to make sure he wouldn't teleport down. Vlad can't teleport down.

Valor Bot2 votes

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it's because Vladimir doesn't have the global presence Shen does.

Fadedpf1 votes

Each champion has a role to fill. Sustain is something anyone can have some better than others. Vlad has resourceless sustain on his Q on a low cooldown. BUT HE CANT SHEN ULT. That must mean he is healthy and Shen deserves the nerf.

Enosetc1 votes

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I could be wrong, but I'm guessing it's because Vladimir doesn't have the global presence Shen does.

yes

global presence is shen's thing. nerfing his sustain gives opponents more windows of opportunity to harass and poke without having their damage eventually nullified over the course of the next minute so that he can't ult into another lane with full hp as often

as long as vlad runs teleport top (which is extremely common) he can still appear in another lane with full hp as well because there are very few toplaners that he doesn't outsustain just because his level 9 q is that strong. yes, shen can have two teleports. he pays for that by having generally high energy costs. vlad doesn't even have to manage a resource outside of his own health costs, which are negligible as soon as he gets a revolver

Fadedpf1 votes

Who the fuck knows. Maybe those Vlad nerfs were just a "bug" like that Zed buff.

Tusutaki1 votes

Shen's sustain was a problem? Since when the hell was that ever the issue?

Enosetc2 votes

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Shen's sustain was a problem? Since when the hell was that ever the issue?

unless they had their own sustain, shen was easily pushing champs out of lane just by outhealing them during and after trades with his q. he'll probably still be doing this after the nerf, but to a lesser degree

even still, other champs have being doing this for a while now and the most outstanding case of this had their nerfs reverted without any given context

Spizzle90001 votes

Vlad has no cc. Vlad doesn't have mobility (other than a small MS buff on his w). He needs sustain cause he uses health as a casting resource on w and e. Also his early game is trash. Absolute trash. His q has a long cooldown early on.

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