Can we revert Brand's Patch 8.1 buffs?
Blaze Damage per stack increased to 4% of target's maximum health from 2%.
There was honestly no reason for this. He was already pressuring & terrifying to play against as a bot laner.
HP Crookshanks27 votesI think his passive is broken.
Nea10419 votesIt's August, my friend. Patch 8.15. You ureally think they are gonna do something good, eventually? :P
BeatzBoyFTW42 votesLike removing Dynamic Queue after 1 year? Sure.
Faceroll Tactics12 votesOnly because the pros and streamers universally hated it
Saianna4 votesAlong with majority of boards and quite a nice chunk of silent playerbase.
pros and streamers were most visible, though.
VermillionWolf2 votesI am kinda new to this game. Whats Dynamic Queue, ive heard that it was hated
RainXBlade2 votesIt'S sTiLl PrEsEaSoN gUyS.
Rathar Dashing18 votes2%: this tickles, like does Brand even have a passive?
4%: OMG, WHY DOES BRAND DO SO MUCH DAMAGE FOR FREE?
If only there were a number between 2 and 4 that could "balance" this out...
Athenes Lulu1 votesthats too hard for riot
SpongebobIsLife9 votesHe does need changes...but only as a midlaner. Support brand should be nerfed and midlane brand buffed. They should either give the tick an ap ratio and decrease the base, or increase the ap ratio on the pop. I say increase the ratio on his pop, that way he gets more rewarded for hitting his abilities.
GripaAviara1 votesSupport brand should be nerfed and midlane brand buffed
And how do you effectively do that? Don't say lower base and increase AP ratio because that's how he was before and he was lackluster in the eys of riot.
Don't get me wrong, sup Brand needs a nerf, but I think the problem is in his kit and how AP works atm in general
SpongebobIsLife3 votesthat is the best way to fix brand though. The reason brand goes bot and not mid is because he can effectively do the same damage on a support's budget and items as a mid lane brand can. Simply bc, his ratios are garbage.
It's important to mention that old brand did not have an ap ratio on his passive. I mean w alone is 255 base at rank 5, and 320 if you have your passive on him. THAT IS INSANE BASE DAMAGE on a rather easy to hit skillshot with a relatively low cd.
Personally, I think that they should lower w base damage, increase the ap ratio by .2, lower passive damage base but increase ap ratio so that the typical brand mid can get more damage out of it late game than he does now, and then I would lower the mana cost on e. As well as nerfing passing tick to 3 percent instead of 4.
The reason brand does not do well as a mid lane mage, is largely because he just get outscaled by them or out roamed (
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Nhifu1 votesHe dies too easily by himself And the Ultimate doesn't work so well 1v1
At bottom you can rush magic pen and get kills off of jungle, sup and mid and win easily.
SpongebobIsLife1 votesYes, magic pen...an early stat that falls off as the game progresses. You basically just confirmed what I said.
And his 1v1 isn't bad at all. If you have a minion wave it's not that hard to guarantee 3 procs of ult. This is coming from a Brand player since s3.
Nhifu1 votesAlso very easy to avoid Brand mid in a 1v1.
It's not like he can stun players that.. wave clear better than him for less mana..
I think the only mid laner he beats right now is . . annie? Maybe? lol
VoraciousX1 votesHe does need changes...but only as a midlaner. Support brand should be nerfed and midlane brand buffed. They should either give the tick an ap ratio and decrease the base, or increase the ap ratio on the pop. I say increase the ratio on his pop, that way he gets more rewarded for hitting his abilities.
I think they should buff his E personally to be more of his farming ability, while making his W more of just a way to set off his E. I miss maxing E on Brand...those were the good old days. Maybe also changing around his blaze to be a bit more skill expressive. Possibly this:
Q: Sear: Brand launches a fireball in the target direction that deals (same as live)magic damage to the first enemy it hits. Blaze: Sear deals 50% bonus damage.
W: Pillar of Flame: After a 0.625 second delay, Brand makes the target area erupt in flames, dealing 70/90/110/130/150+60%AP magic damage to the enemies within. Blaze: Pillar of Flame stuns enemies in the target area for 1.5 seconds.
E: Conflagration: Brand sets the target aflame, dealing 75/120/165/210/255+35%AP magic damage. Blaze: Conflagration also spreads to enemies around the target and deals 25% bonus damage to minions(minion damage just a possible extra in case waveclear doesn't feel as good as it should be).
Swapped the damage from W and E, as well as the passives on Q and W. The AP ratios however are the same for W and E, so W still has some merit as a damage source, and you won't just E>W>Q to stun whole teams, you'll have to actually think about how you wanna combo. You can Q>E>W to proc a massive stun, W>E>Q to do the most damage, E>W>Q to proc a stun and some nice damage with a stun on top of it as well.
SpongebobIsLife2 votesno. w stun is broken, change in bonus damage to q means no strong aoe damage
Giga Baboon3 votesYeah 45% winrate mid and support, no reason.
BeatzBoyFTW34 votesMeanwhile, no one plays Yorick. Gets nerfed.
Yasuo sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets that ult buffed.
But Garen also sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets nerfed.
Tell me this.
Vlada Cut10 votesMeanwhile, no one plays Yorick. Gets nerfed.
Yasuo sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets that ult buffed.
But Garen also sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets nerfed.
Tell me this.
Garen will NEVER see any LCS play until he get's reworked. He's a solo q champion, not a team player like Ryze and the rest of the cast. There's a video clearly explain why he is the worst champion to be ever picked in LCS. Yorick despite low playrate still had high winrate, don't see what's wrong with that. Yasuo ult buff is pointless unless they choose to finally get rid off armor penetration part - why armor oenetration if he has enough true damage already.
Boulderox3 votesGaren will NEVER see any LCS play until he get's reworked. He's a solo q champion, not a team player like Ryze and the rest of the cast. There's a video clearly explain why he is the worst champion to be ever picked in LCS. Yorick despite low playrate still had high winrate, don't see what's wrong with that. Yasuo ult buff is pointless unless they choose to finally get rid off armor penetration part - why armor oenetration if he has enough true damage already.
https://youtu.be/gDE__AAlBp8 dude has garen in masters, it isn't impossible, but we all know pros are going to pick the easiest braindead way to win, so no radical fun picks anymore..
La Bello3 votesthats in SOLOQ thought.
some champions are absolute TERRORS in soloQ but worthless in Coordinated proplay
thrive in soloQ but are pretty worthless in pro play.
BEK Makadur2 votesThat´s pretty short viewed, yes i agree tryn besides S1 never saw professional play, but the others did(not 100% sure but pretty much)
BigBrotherAniki5 voteshttps://youtu.be/gDE__AAlBp8 dude has garen in masters, it isn't impossible, but we all know pros are going to pick the easiest braindead way to win, so no radical fun picks anymore..
According to every Garen player i saw on boards Garen is pure dogshit literally unplayable in elo higher than Silver and its impossible to win as him meanwhile they were all Diamond/Plat when you look at their accounts.[zombie-brand-clap]
Tahminatrix 3 votesGaren is actually pretty good with a coordinated team due to his armor shred.
Hes one of those champions who is like, HEY I know we are a full ad team, but you guys can still build lethality if you play around me.
Vlada Cut1 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6nTNdhe,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-11T19:09:43.439+0000)
Garen is actually pretty good with a coordinated team due to his armor shred.
Hes one of those champions who is like, HEY I know we are a full ad team, but you guys can still build lethality if you play around me.
....MY GOSH. For the last time. He is good in teamfights with other SOLO Q players, NOT IN LCS teamfights!
Nhifu1 votesKited too easily
Because LCSs comps are all about snare/stun/root comps that beat up faceroll champs.
Ranmiaku2 votesGaren will NEVER see any LCS play until he get's reworked. He's a solo q champion, not a team player like Ryze and the rest of the cast. There's a video clearly explain why he is the worst champion to be ever picked in LCS. Yorick despite low playrate still had high winrate, don't see what's wrong with that. Yasuo ult buff is pointless unless they choose to finally get rid off armor penetration part - why armor oenetration if he has enough true damage already.
yorick had a high winrate because of the low playrate, the few people that played him figured him out, which is how it should be, if he was more popular i guarantee his winrate would drop by a lot
Vlada Cut1 votesyorick had a high winrate because of the low playrate, the few people that played him figured him out, which is how it should be, if he was more popular i guarantee his winrate would drop by a lot
I said that. Why are you releating it?
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesHigh winrate means almost nothing on low playrate champions. You're saying as if 6 out of 10 winning Yorick players, and then out of 1 thousand players, is something that actually means anything.
Vlada Cut1 votesHigh winrate means almost nothing on low playrate champions. You're saying as if 6 out of 10 winning Yorick players, and then out of 1 thousand players, is something that actually means anything.
So you want to nerf a champion brcause 6 out of 10 players know how to play it? Lmao.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesSo you want to nerf a champion brcause 6 out of 10 players know how to play it? Lmao.
I didn't say that. Riot did:
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/upj64E0i-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august
Garen nerf - Garen's too strong at this point. We'll be looking to take power out in ways that nerfs him more in lower MMR, less in high, given it's low MMR that he's particularly out of line
Yorick nerf - Same deal as Garen, targeting low MMR
FredTheEgg1 votesYeah the Yasuo thing is pretty fucking annoying.
They gave them Conqueror, a much needed bruiser rune, and that was fine.
Then comes 
and gets changed to giving MORE true damage.
And then a buff to his ult??? Why?
Moons of Jupiter2 votesMeanwhile, no one plays Yorick. Gets nerfed.
Yasuo sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets that ult buffed.
But Garen also sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets nerfed.
Tell me this.
Lol garen is really overbuffed right now. he deserves nerfs
BeatzBoyFTW1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moons of Jupiter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6nTNdhe,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-08-11T20:53:07.085+0000)
Lol garen is really overbuffed right now. he deserves nerfs
Mobility-wise, he's still the exact same as usual. What happened to you & your "just kite him" tips? There's a reason why he's a shit-tier pick in proplays.
Moons of Jupiter1 votesMobility-wise, he's still the exact same as usual. What happened to you & your "just kite him" tips? There's a reason why he's a shit-tier pick in proplays.
I have literally never said "just kite him" regarding Garen on these forums. This is the first time I have ever made a comment regarding Garen at all. I think you have me confused with someone else.
Anyway, the issue is he is stat bloated. You HAVE to kite him, or you get sealed, and have to take a losing trade, or even a death. You HAVE to deal with him, but there's no good options to do that if you're laning against him or if you're a squishy. If he takes a bad engage, he can just spin off into the sunset and regen his HP.
Many champions are strong without being great LCS picks.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesYeah idk. Whenever riot buffs the likes of nasus and garen they just slap more and more stats on them until its impossible to beat them anymore. Nasus is so ridiculous to face as is garen while still being shittier champions kit wise.
Tree Citizen1 votesat least yorick is at a 53% win rate, as of this post. My poor 
my sad secret main is down at 46%.
Stats of champion.gg
Goodwill2 votesat least yorick is at a 53% win rate, as of this post. My poor
Stats of champion.gg
I think Gnar is actually really good. The problem is he is a scaling champion and requires not a solo queue team. Alot of autofill players play Gnar so most likely why his w/r is low. If you are autofill you are not gonna pick Yorick because he requires some knowledge of toplane and Gnar is just a lane bully that scales really nice.
Nhifu1 votesHe's in a good spot, it's just you HAVE to stun all 5 enemy team and hope your team isn't retarded LOL (Joke post btw)
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesAnd this winrate is still too high for gnar.
GhaelWinds1 votesMeanwhile, no one plays Yorick. Gets nerfed.
Yasuo sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets that ult buffed.
But Garen also sees 0 plays in LCS? Gets nerfed.
Tell me this.
What yorick nerf?
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesA Rioter announced in Quick Gameplay Thoughts that Yorick will have a nerf announced soon.
Sire Hippington3 votesWell, the reason for it was that DFT as a leystpone got removed and he had an insane synergie with it. However, the point where they failed is hat it mostly gave him an ap-scaleing onto his passive with next to no basevalue, and then they compensated him missing those extra ratios by upping the basedamage... If they would revert that change and instead add a small ratio or increase his existing ratios, it would help sololane brand and make his early and support less absurd.
Tree Citizen3 votesCan we get a 
revert to before his rework. He literally doesn't have a q if he is trying to fight any minion monster or champion in a 1v1 situation. he needs to be in a 1v2 to have access to his q, even when in the jg on monsters, like gromp..... or a single caster minion....
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesUhh why? His current Q is a lot more impactful than his old Q in teamfights, in terms of team disruption & catching people. He honestly doesn't suffer much against single-unit camps like Gromp.
If you're playing Zac as a duelist against enemy champions, then there is definitely something wrong.
FredTheEgg1 votesYeah but to compensate for that he clears wolves and raptors real fast now
Tree Citizen1 votesThe spell costs 8% of your current hp, which is fine because if used right, you get 2 bloops. but when used in a 1v1 area, it only gives one bloop if you hit, for 8%, used to be 4% like the rest of your spells. and Also his R not nearly as useful at his old one. Old one i could push individual people in different directions and would offer many bloops for many w resets. New one allows him to play a crane game and hope to not snag up darius and drop him in the middle of the team for him to devastate through, or do i drop him out of range of my team, leave myself in the 1v5 to get darius away from my team? is the only reason to have his ult to short cast for some light cc? why have a charge if short cast is the only viable version, for less damage than his original ult was.
Nhifu1 votesAgreed, Zac fucking sucks
Just a big blob that runs in circles here and there, and outclassed in the tank + cc department by many other champs
