With all her on-hit and mixed damage along with her tankiness, she's ridiculous throughout the game and her dueling is nearly unmatched. Also, even though I like playing her, her clears even from lvl 1 are RIDICULOUSLY fast. Am I in the minority or what?
Vistha Kai4 votesThis is Shyvana. She only has damage in her kit. Shun her for dealing damage.
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Taredom3 votesNo you're pretty much with everyone else, all that I can recommend is that you control dragon and as many scuttles as you can, try to take her camps when you have vision of her, buy extra wards to place in her jungle and gang up on her before she gets sated.
It's an uphill battle but not an impossible one.
Also pray to god that she doesn't immediately go tanky after devourer, if she goes bork, at least you can kill her. (solid idea to buy the bork an item or two later though, the damage is intense.)
Also ward your jungle and try to counter gank after she hits 6, her ganks before then are lackluster at best.
pripustas1 votesOr if you pick a jungler that is good at invading, a smart player will go Cinderhulk and then pray you don't meet her, and don't even think about invading alone. You'll get rekt (if you're not trundle)
I like Cinderhulk into BOTRK more, than Devourer. It's a faster power spike, and you can still duel almost anyone 1x1. And you also don't have to farm 30 days to be relevant.
Taredom1 votesOr if you pick a jungler that is good at invading, a smart player will go Cinderhulk and then pray you don't meet her, and don't even think about invading alone. You'll get rekt (if you're not trundle)
I like Cinderhulk into BOTRK more, than Devourer. It's a faster power spike, and you can still duel almost anyone 1x1. And you also don't have to farm 30 days to be relevant.
Depending on the game, I've had Devourer stacked as early as 16 minutes, alternatively, in an even game against Shyv I've had it stacked as late as 26 minutes, it's hard to guage how fast you'll be able to stack it if you're responding to situations such as counter ganking, warding, counter jungling, etc.
On a separate note, I can't say I've ever gone that route on any jungler, ever. When I go cinderhulk I try to go into an item that will give health and resistances after so that I can benefit more from the scaling (usually going Cinderhulk into a randuins or spirit visage, depending on who on the enemy team I'm most concerned about, also might just go righteous glory to push my ganks into overdrive or sightstone if I have a feeling that vision control will be a problem, of course locket isn't a bad idea to rush, thinking outloud, I should do that more often.)
I do see the benefit of going bork after building an item like that, just not sure the playstyle is for me.
The smart thing to do, rather than pray you don't meet her, would be to wait until she shows herself somewhere, go into her jungle with 2 wards and trinket, light that side up, clear what you can get and bail, that should give you substantial vision on her and allow you to control the pace of the game.
pripustas1 votesWell that is a choice we all make. We build what we like, how we like, so there is no arguing which is better. I just hate being full tank, that's why you won't see me play most popular junglers - I feel so useless.. So I always build at least 1 damage item, or more. Even if I'm behind, I build some defense, and then go for my std offensive item. Exhaust>Flash on Shyvana imo. Helps with ganks alot, also helps outrunning enemy and ulting them into your team. But again, some people prefer Flash.
Taredom1 votesWell that is a choice we all make. We build what we like, how we like, so there is no arguing which is better. I just hate being full tank, that's why you won't see me play most popular junglers - I feel so useless.. So I always build at least 1 damage item, or more. Even if I'm behind, I build some defense, and then go for my std offensive item. Exhaust>Flash on Shyvana imo. Helps with ganks alot, also helps outrunning enemy and ulting them into your team. But again, some people prefer Flash.
I can respect that, its how I feel when I play j4, he has too good of scalings to not build a black cleaver or hydra... or both.
LaowPing2 votesDevourer made her insanely strong. Without it she's a good high elo jungler. She doesn't gank very well due to lack of CC and needs items to be truly effecient and deal with kiting. Once devourer meets it's inevitable nerf she'll be a strong jungler but not a dominant one.
67chrome2 votesAnyone think Shyvana's damage is a bit ridiculous?
No?
All Shyvana's abilities do is damage. She essentially has no CC or utlities to speak of. There's a knock-back of questionable usefulness on an ult-level CD and that's it.
Same can not be said of many champions. Riven has more CC. Vayne has more CC. Nasus has more CC/utilities. Even Tryndamere brings more utility than Shyvana, which is pretty sad when you really think about it. An AD debuff and potential slow = better utility than Shyvana.
If Shyvana didn't do more damage than champions with better CC/utilities, she'd be at a clear disadvantage to those champions. Why pick her ever if her lack of utility wasn't counter-balanced elsewhere?
RogueWill1 votesTo be fair she has a fairly low CD on her ult tanks to her passive. You pretty much can keep it up every 30 sec.
67chrome1 votesSeveral CC skills that fear, stun, charm, knockup, pull, root, slow, or silence are on significantly lower cooldowns.
With 50% CDR, there exist champions that could legitimately stun-lock their opponents.
40% CDR 
is pure cancer.
Also - Shyvana's knockback is a double-edged sword, unlike most CC types applying it isn't 100% a good thing. You could potentially interrupt a suppression ultimate, but you could also knock a high-priority target away from a lot of the damage on your team, pushing that enemy Vayne right out of a 
glorious ult combo.
In terms of kit budget? A 30+ CD on a double-edged, barely CC effect costs Shyvana essentially nothing, So she pretty much deals the maximum amount of damage a champion can come with.
TheI3igDaddy1 votesNah she's brainless. Epitome of 'press all the buttons'. Are you stronger? You'll probably kill them if they're not very mobile. Are you weaker? Whelp guess you gotta farm because you can't do shit.
I GANK LANES1 votesthats mainly my point lol
Kotex1 votes
: I've seen worse.
Snoopy Noopers1 votesI've done worse*** You mean, master yi.
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I've done worse*** You mean, master yi.
That was the implied joke.
Too Ton1 votesVayne is the solution to everything Shyvana will never touch her even with ult. Even if you do manage to hit, she can lifesteal fast.
Hasztalan21 votesConcerning that she is a gapcloserless melee champ with only damage in her kit no. That's all what she can offer.
