I don't understand these Master Yi changes, can the devs please explain them

Right Click Only·May 14, 2019·31 votes·15,177 views

These changes were according to Riot designed to make Master Yi weaker low elo but stronger higher elo. However this has had the opposite effect. These changes made Master Yi's on-hit build useless because of Rageblade and Conqueror nerfs but Crit build more viable and with the Q changes you can now attack the same person 4 times with Alpha strike. This means you can now at low elo one shot a squishy even faster than before. You legit Q to them for 100% damage and then hit them another 3 times if no other targets are near for 25% damage each but since you will be building crit the 3 hits for 25% damage will also crit meaning each of the hits will still hit like a truck.

Basically these changes had the opposite effect and made Master Yi even stronger low elos but unplayable higher elos

42 Comments

ThingamajigMay 14, 201925 votes

yes you can assassinate people now but with rageblade you could insta gib whole teams and the insane atk speed meant your alpha was on an insanely low cd crit build has a lot of burst but a lot less durability

and this means that low elo players can react in team fights to an yi before their whole team dies while higher elo players can assassinate priority targets and still be useful

BoltonatorMay 14, 201912 votes

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yes you can assassinate people now but with rageblade you could insta gib whole teams and the insane atk speed meant your alpha was on an insanely low cd crit build has a lot of burst but a lot less durability

and this means that low elo players can react in team fights to an yi before their whole team dies while higher elo players can assassinate priority targets and still be useful

I think what the OP is referring to is now, instead of rageblade, Yi can go crit and SoS to make his Q just as, if not more, effective than the rageblade build. I could be wrong though.

Being able to 100-0 someone with a single ability should not be on a short cooldown which, when paired with Spear of Sojun, could make that a reality.

ThingamajigMay 14, 20196 votes

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I think what the OP is referring to is now, instead of rageblade, Yi can go crit and SoS to make his Q just as, if not more, effective than the rageblade build. I could be wrong though.

Being able to 100-0 someone with a single ability should not be on a short cooldown which, when paired with Spear of Sojun, could make that a reality.

the difference is that atk speed is a gated on crit build watch the cowsep videos where he goes crit the burst is insane but the speed at killing multiple players is slower

thats what i mean there is more time for a team to react to an yi that doesn't mean he won't be able to 1 shot you it just means that he won't be able to 1 shot your whole team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN9CYohOCBg&t=14m20s crit yi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKqTOOug7E&t=5m56s crit yi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKqTOOug7E&t=21m20s on hit yi

the time frame of a kill is much different and the untargetability window is a lot lower ie crit build is fragile but bursty on hit build is not fragile and can still be a lot bursty

also crit build can be itemized against while on hit can't be due to how his E works

BoltonatorMay 14, 20192 votes

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the difference is that atk speed is a gated on crit build watch the cowsep videos where he goes crit the burst is insane but the speed at killing multiple players is slower

thats what i mean there is more time for a team to react to an yi that doesn't mean he won't be able to 1 shot you it just means that he won't be able to 1 shot your whole team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN9CYohOCBg&t=14m20s crit yi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKqTOOug7E&t=5m56s crit yi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMKqTOOug7E&t=21m20s on hit yi

the time frame of a kill is much different and the untargetability window is a lot lower ie crit build is fragile but bursty on hit build is not fragile and can still be a lot bursty

also crit build can be itemized against while on hit can't be due to how his E works

Solid points, apologies for my confusion on the matter.

Z3SleeperMay 14, 20194 votes

Finally Yi’s Assassin secondary tag in the client makes sense lmao.

Spicy RiceMay 15, 20191 votes

I mean, it used to, before onhit builds became the norm

IllabetheMay 15, 20191 votes

Full crit can still max attack speed:

Alacrity + item 3006 item 3087 item 3508 item 1419 item 3074 item 3031 has 388 AD and 2.5 attack speed.

Attack speed is not gated unless you're trying to cap out Lethal Tempo

ThingamajigMay 15, 20192 votes

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Full crit can still max attack speed:

Alacrity + has 388 AD and 2.5 attack speed.

Attack speed is not gated unless you're trying to cap out Lethal Tempo

yup im pretty sure you will not go zerkers and bloodrazor on crit yi unless you are trying to int your team let alone lethal tempo

OrangeMarineMay 15, 20192 votes

lol @ low ELO "reacting"

DramidanMay 15, 20191 votes

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yes you can assassinate people now but with rageblade you could insta gib whole teams and the insane atk speed meant your alpha was on an insanely low cd crit build has a lot of burst but a lot less durability

and this means that low elo players can react in team fights to an yi before their whole team dies while higher elo players can assassinate priority targets and still be useful

Actually you build crit + cdr, in a TF I can easily dish out 5-6 alpha strikes without resets.

ThingamajigMay 15, 20191 votes

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Actually you build crit + cdr, in a TF I can easily dish out 5-6 alpha strikes without resets.

5-6 alphas without resets? were you fighting an 15k health cho gath with 450 armor?

Vlada CutMay 16, 20191 votes

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yes you can assassinate people now but with rageblade you could insta gib whole teams and the insane atk speed meant your alpha was on an insanely low cd crit build has a lot of burst but a lot less durability

and this means that low elo players can react in team fights to an yi before their whole team dies while higher elo players can assassinate priority targets and still be useful

React to yi? Who is in a Alpha and untargetable. Sure. The moment you try to CC him he will one shot your squishies with Alpha strike already.

ThingamajigMay 16, 20191 votes

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React to yi? Who is in a Alpha and untargetable. Sure. The moment you try to CC him he will one shot your squishies with Alpha strike already.

experienced players know who Yi alphad and can cc him on exiting now that the Alpha duration is always 1 second that means low elo players can also react

the damage is w/e being able to know where he is and where you should aim your spells is a big boost for low elo and negligible for diamond+

Wizard BlazeMay 15, 20194 votes

Korean and Chinese demands. he was not flashy enough and insta kill your ass. ITS BIG PLAYS LCS BRO XDD

DuskDaUmbreonMay 15, 20193 votes

R duration changes are a long-requested change to Yi - His R was too short for fights unless you picked up a kill early on, then it was way too long. Longer base duration and less gain on kill balances that out.

Q change is another I've seen requested a few times - Let his Q hit the same target multiple times so he's not fucked against things like big Krug or whatever. Also standardizing the time in alpha.

KaishaMay 15, 20192 votes

You RIOT devs have a dart board and well...

Really that's the only explanation I can come up with.

Rıots Bad ClientMay 14, 20191 votes

does this make his jungle clears better?

Right Click OnlyMay 14, 20193 votes

Yeah I've noticed he clears faster because he can now hit single targets multiple times, also alpha strike does bonus damage to jungle camps.

GodlyBaneMay 14, 20191 votes

no, the damage is split into 4. one target the damage is divided by 4. It doesnt deal any extra damage, its just meant to keep you in there longer lmao. The extra damage is only on jg camps.

Right Click OnlyMay 15, 20192 votes

Nope you are wrong the original target gets dealt 100% damage from Q but if the same target is ever alpha bounced again then additional bounces on the same target deal 25% damage per bounce.

christ revengedMay 15, 20191 votes

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ArtumisPrimeMay 15, 20194 votes

No. He is saying that the initial hit, and all subsequent hits, will deal 25% damage for a total of 100% damage. What is actually happening is the first target is taking 100%, then 3 hits of 25%, for a total of 175% damage.

"r u stupid?"

christ revengedMay 15, 20191 votes

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ArtumisPrimeMay 15, 20191 votes

"no, the damage is split into 4. one target the damage is divided by 4"

christ revengedMay 15, 20191 votes

low elo, low iq, i can't go back to playing your 4.8 cs vel koz in diamond zzz

ArtumisPrimeMay 15, 20191 votes

IDK who you think I am, but I'm not much a fan of Vel'Koz.

Oh, and it amuses me that you downvoted my statement that proves you wrong.

christ revengedMay 15, 20191 votes

Proves? lol

ArtumisPrimeMay 15, 20191 votes

Yes. Proves.

Person A (or the "he" in question when regarding your initial response) -

no, the damage is split into 4. one target the damage is divided by 4. It doesnt deal any extra damage, its just meant to keep you in there longer lmao. The extra damage is only on jg camps.

Person B

Nope you are wrong the original target gets dealt 100% damage from Q but if the same target is ever alpha bounced again then additional bounces on the same target deal 25% damage per bounce.

Then you claim they made the same statement. "That is literally what he said, r u stupid?" Which is not even remotely true. So, again, yes. Proves.

christ revengedMay 16, 20191 votes

NA [zombie-brand-mindblown]

ArtumisPrimeMay 16, 20191 votes

I don't understand you.

I show you where you're wrong. Give you evidence of it.

Then, your response, is to imply that NA people drive you nuts...when I'm on OCE.

At this point I can't tell if you're a brilliant troll or an absolute moron.

christ revengedMay 16, 20191 votes

Imagine being wrong, and thinking your right, i can't with you bro, insanely ignorant

ArtumisPrimeMay 16, 20191 votes

This is you right now. Here is more proof:

Here is a shitty image of what I've been describing:

https://imgur.com/nppdv8h.png

Now here is the person, who has no replies, that you thought Person B (from my previous example) was replying to:

https://imgur.com/v0DTj2a.png

And I know, for a fact, that this is the person you thought he was replying to because of your quote here:

https://imgur.com/JGiu7pN.png

Imagine being wrong, and thinking you're right. Insanely ignorant.

ArtumisPrimeMay 15, 20193 votes

Also, even if someone was Iron 4, they could have an elo of like 800. That is off the charts ridiculous levels of genius IQ. I think you're not very bright.

General MattyMay 15, 20192 votes

What do you expect from someone whose main vocabulary probably consists of bro and bro.

IllabetheMay 15, 20197 votes

No. All 4 attempts to apply damage apply to one target now if they were alone.

The first hit will do full damage, and the other 3 do 25%. All can apply crit.

MavëríckMay 15, 20191 votes

Wait... can Yi's Q critically strike??? There is nothing in the ability tool tip that says this.

MessyStuffMay 15, 20196 votes

Uh are you joking or something? On the client it literally says that. And I'll copy and paste from mobafire. Range: 600 Cooldown: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14 Cost: 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 Master Yi becomes untargetable and jumps to up to 4 nearby enemies dealing 25 / 60 / 95 / 130 / 165(+100% of attack damage) physical damage to each unit hit as well as 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 / 175 bonus damage to monsters.

This skill can critically strike dealing (+60% of attack damage) bonus physical damage. Basic attacks lower alpha strike's cooldown by 1 second.

MavëríckMay 15, 20191 votes

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Uh are you joking or something? On the client it literally says that. And I'll copy and paste from mobafire. Range: 600 Cooldown: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14 Cost: 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 Master Yi becomes untargetable and jumps to up to 4 nearby enemies dealing 25 / 60 / 95 / 130 / 165(+100% of attack damage) physical damage to each unit hit as well as 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 / 175 bonus damage to monsters.

This skill can critically strike dealing (+60% of attack damage) bonus physical damage. Basic attacks lower alpha strike's cooldown by 1 second.

Whoa. I had zero clue. I've never noticed that part of the tool tip all this time.

Baba YetuMay 15, 20191 votes

I just perma ban master whatever role I play, and since then I've progressed in rank considerably.

jng dif victimMay 15, 20191 votes

https://res.cloudinary.com/dolstrmxz/image/upload/v1557906095/yi.jpg

PiVoRxMay 15, 20191 votes

There is nothing to understand but one thing about Yi - Riot dont want him to be good, you are wasting your time on him, if you want to be succesful in LoL play meta champions, this is how it is, and always have been.

Years have passed and Yi never had a real apperance in competitive play, still he keeps getting nerfed over and over again, either drop the champion, or better.. drop the game (like i did).

Right Click OnlyMay 16, 20191 votes

Now that it's been few days since patch 9.10 has been released. According to most stats websites Plat elo and above his win rate has decreased a few percentage, gold and below his win-rate has increased a few percentage compared to the previous patch.