Can someone explain to me why Miss Fortune is allowed to...

Warpes·Jul 24, 2017·19 votes·4,134 views

1/2 HP another adc using her Q, with only 2 long swords?

I know the "counterplay" is "just don't get hit with the ricochet" but even still ... sub-6 MF does half or MORE with only

Hit me once at level 4 with 2 longswords... 1/2 my hp. Used a biscuit, hit me again 10 seconds later, now I have to back... because I have under 10% hp left.

What The Actual FUCK

Why is this allowed??? As if her ult damage isn't bad enough mid-late game...

55 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 24, 20178 votes

on MFs Q if the 1st target is killed by Q the 2nd target will be have crit damage applied just fyi

so you dont stand behind low lvl hp targets that she would be targeting with Q to kill with cuz when the ricochet from it hits you its a crit

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 24, 20174 votes

why is this downvoted?

it explains the ability and how it does so much damage

The5lackerJul 25, 20175 votes

You seem to be mistaking the word "why" for the word "how." It's downvoted because people understand the function, but they're angry about the underlying philosophy, I.E. "This is an unreasonable amount of damage for a champion to be doing so early game and so reliably" not "GE WILLICKERS HOW DOES SHE KEEP HITTING ME LIKE THIS I'M JUST FLABBERGHASTED!"

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

no the OP really seems confused

The5lackerJul 25, 20176 votes

No you just seem to be really confused. At no point does OP ever ask "How can she do this?" It's always, throughout the entire post, "Why is she allowed to do this?" Which are two entirely separate questions.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

she is allowed to do so cuz her ability allows her

hence the explanation of how her ability works

The5lackerJul 25, 20171 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20172 votes

why does it need to be changed?

its a unique mechanic to her kit that no other champ really has , very very easily played around and against

The5lackerJul 25, 20175 votes

Do you believe that the only two options are "Leave it as is" and "Remove it entirely"?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

once again how is this ability an issue?

how is it breaking the game? making her a must pick/ban

etc

The5lackerJul 25, 20173 votes

Do you believe that an ability is only a problem if it singlehandedly makes a champion a must pick/ban?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

so why is there such an out cry over her Q ?

why is it so wait let me find the trigger words "anti-fun" "oppressive" "broken' "toxic' 'cancer' to the game ?

The5lackerJul 25, 20173 votes

So do you believe that other players finding something unfun is a totally invalid argument?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

not once have you explained the issue for the mechanic of her Q passive damage if it kills the 1st target and the 2nd is a crit

not once have you explain how its bad for the game and why it needs to be changed

CatSithJul 25, 20171 votes

learning how to play against it can help.

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

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learning how to play against it can help.

Yea, learning how to dodge every single skillshot ever thrown at you can help too.

And Riot makes sure to keep skillshots in the game even though every player always dodges them, right? No one ever lands stuff that's intended to exist in the game on a champ's kit.

Brilliant logic bud.

WarpesJul 25, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-25T00:28:18.409+0000)

no the OP really seems confused

Yes I'm confused by the amount of damage itself, I understand perfectly fine how the ability itself works, and all aspects of it.

I thought that was blatantly clear from the context of my post, but I didn't realize that there were actually people who exist that could mistake that for something entirely different.

AlienPrimateJul 26, 20172 votes

It's not reliable at all if you have any game knowledge whatsoever. It isn't that hard to avoid her Q. Just stand to the side of the minions instead of behind them. Getting hit by her Q is just as stupid as stepping on a plainly visible Cait trap.

MF is also really weak in all-in fights early game. Take advantage of this and go aggressive not letting her just Q minions all laning phase.

Ben SwoIoJul 25, 20173 votes

I've recently noticed the damage on her stupid ricochet bullet. I HATE it. It will miss, miss, miss, miss, HIT. There goes a huge chunk of my hp just because she finally landed a very safe ricochet. Stupid damage output imo.

Subject 5Jul 24, 20172 votes

I dunno man.

If you stand in the road and wait for a Truck to just maul you off the road, I'd like to think that you deserve going to the hospital. You had like all the time in the world to avoid that Truck, why didn't you just strategically place yourself out on the side and just continue doing what you're doing in the first place?

WarpesJul 25, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-07-24T23:42:09.976+0000)

I dunno man.

If you stand in the road and wait for a Truck to just maul you off the road, I'd like to think that you deserve going to the hospital. You had like all the time in the world to avoid that Truck, why didn't you just strategically place yourself out on the side and just continue doing what you're doing in the first place?

You're right, I guess I just won't lane against her then since at any point she can become a "truck" whenever there's a single close to death minion in the lane... but wait nah... that's such a rare occurence anyway. Certainly isn't 6-7 minions that can get low hp every single wave or anything like that.

Basically your response is (whatever most broken/complained about champion at the moment is) is perfectly fine because you should just get out of their way whenever they're about to (whatever broken/most complained about ability in the game), otherwise you're an idiot.

Because there's never a point where a champ/ability needs to be looked at or tuned down a bit right? That couldn't POSSIBLY be my point, and not "wait how the fuck do I avoid this thing?"

Subject 5Jul 26, 20171 votes

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You're right, I guess I just won't lane against her then since at any point she can become a "truck" whenever there's a single close to death minion in the lane... but wait nah... that's such a rare occurence anyway. Certainly isn't 6-7 minions that can get low hp every single wave or anything like that.

Basically your response is (whatever most broken/complained about champion at the moment is) is perfectly fine because you should just get out of their way whenever they're about to (whatever broken/most complained about ability in the game), otherwise you're an idiot.

Because there's never a point where a champ/ability needs to be looked at or tuned down a bit right? That couldn't POSSIBLY be my point, and not "wait how the fuck do I avoid this thing?"

I sincerely doubt you want to call somebody an idiot when you don't understand how the Q ability works. Most of everybody is explaining to you how you're ignorant of the topic, but you know, I'm a fucking idiot according to you.

No but seriously how about this - when a car passes by in a street, DON'T FUCKING WALK IN FRONT OF IT? How's that sound for an analogy, you want me to treat you like a piece of garbage because I'll go off on a mother fucker without a care. Jeeze.

WarpesJul 26, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-07-26T03:20:02.513+0000)

I sincerely doubt you want to call somebody an idiot when you don't understand how the Q ability works. Most of everybody is explaining to you how you're ignorant of the topic, but you know, I'm a fucking idiot according to you.

No but seriously how about this - when a car passes by in a street, DON'T FUCKING WALK IN FRONT OF IT?

I ACTUALLY literally just explained that I know exactly how the fuck the ability works.

It even says it sarcastically in the damned response you just replied to lol. Not to mention the various times I pointed out that nowhere in this thread or the OP did I ask "how" it was happening, and already stated I know exactly what the mechanics of the ability are, right from the damn start. But that the damage >>when it does happen<< (see, not "how" lmfao) is a bit too high.

I didn't even call you an idiot... but holy fuck maybe you are one. Especially considering you can't even read the context with which it was used.

And by your logic, every single skillshot in this game is a "car you DON'T FUCKING WALK IN FRONT OF". I'll just dodge every skillshot in existence, because you know... don't wanna get hit by that car. And skillshots don't exist because players with skill will FUCKING LAND THEM EVENTUALLY.

How's that sound for an analogy, you want me to treat you like a piece of garbage because I'll go off on a mother fucker without a care. Jeeze.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Subject 5Jul 26, 20171 votes

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I ACTUALLY literally just explained that I know exactly how the fuck the ability works.

It even says it sarcastically in the damned response you just replied to lol. Not to mention the various times I pointed out that nowhere in this thread or the OP did I ask "how" it was happening, and already stated I know exactly what the mechanics of the ability are, right from the damn start. But that the damage >>when it does happen<< (see, not "how" lmfao) is a bit too high.

I didn't even call you an idiot... but holy fuck maybe you are one. Especially considering you can't even read the context with which it was used.

And by your logic, every single skillshot in this game is a "car you DON'T FUCKING WALK IN FRONT OF". I'll just dodge every skillshot in existence, because you know... don't wanna get hit by that car. And skillshots don't exist because players with skill will FUCKING LAND THEM EVENTUALLY.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Everybody that has explained to you why, how, who, what and where about MF has been downvoted into oblivion. No, I don't think you understand how Q worked when you made this thread - people explained it to you and then got downvoted. Because why not, am I right? Maybe you should update your post and explain that to people - because it sure as hell is lacking in any explanation other than:

"I got ricochet'd, I nearly died."

When in reality - you probably got critical strike ricochet'd - which is reasonable considering you just took 2 critical strikes with a Q.

USG ObamaJul 26, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-07-26T03:20:02.513+0000)

I sincerely doubt you want to call somebody an idiot when you don't understand how the Q ability works. Most of everybody is explaining to you how you're ignorant of the topic, but you know, I'm a fucking idiot according to you.

No but seriously how about this - when a car passes by in a street, DON'T FUCKING WALK IN FRONT OF IT? How's that sound for an analogy, you want me to treat you like a piece of garbage because I'll go off on a mother fucker without a care. Jeeze.

wooow

the ops right with his second post man maybe you really are an idiot. and an angry one at that..

DoktorKaiserJul 25, 20172 votes

Wtf is this hahahahah 2 same guys made 5319531 replies trying to defend the tumor that is MF, especially with lethality. Few days ago I most literally died from 1 Q when she had 2 items. Very fun to play against...

lofi n chillhopJul 25, 20172 votes

I don't think that currently this is op,

but that's because I find her current kit to be very unexciting and weak as a kit.

all her damage is pushed into that ability, and other than in some kinda hard engage comp she doesn't really fit well with any team comps. her "poke" is very predictable and requires environment-based setup, so she has little control over how to execute it compared to other sieging or kiting champs. Then, she is imobile - her move speed is pretty strong but, for an immobile adc she doesn't have anything to make her impressive over the others like draven, varus, ashe, jinx. heck, draven varus and ashe do just fine in a hard engage team comp. and ashe is good there too, tho for the cleanup or setup rather than the burst.

WarpesJul 25, 20172 votes

Let me just put this into perspective for those of you who still don't quite get it.

If I hadn't eaten a biscuit when I did, I would have literally died to 2 of her Qs at level fucking 4. There were no autos, there were no E's, there was no poke from the support. It was 2 Qs within 10 seconds. Both did 1/2 hp and then some deathfire damage.

2 Qs would have killed me, flat out. And there was no lethality involved.

that IS broken, for a level 4. No champ in the entire fucking game should be capable of that kind of damage at that level, much less a fucking adc.

Hexs FortuneJul 25, 20172 votes

Sure, i'll explain it.

MissFortune doesn't get to enjoy hard CC, burst mobility, emergency escapes, stealth, or bonus range

As a result she gets some of that missing power put into her Q and ult.

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

Oh ok, so no champ is ever out of balance due to this logic right here.

There's never a point in time where any ability or abilities in a champs kit needs to be tuned a bit, simply because they lack some stuff that other champs have.

Gotcha

BreathNrelaXJul 25, 20171 votes

The problem is the guy does not understand that a regular Q ricochet is just like Lucian's Q. WHen the thing it bounces off of dies its much much stronger... just as if you hit a Cait trap.. Don't stand ona cait trap.. u gonna get headshoted.. Stand behind minions or ezreal gonna Q your face... Get ready for sivir's Q , dodge it or its gonna do double dmg when it boomerangs back..... You hit a jhin trap, get rdy for his W or he will root you onto the trap and it explodes under your feet... etc.. etc.. etc...

"Oh look that minion is 1 shot do I want gold for a last hit on the minion I want to get or let MF ricochet me" You might sacrifice some health for a regular ricochet to get a minon.. but don't do it for the bonus ricochet.

I wont lie though I just started MF and the cooldown on it is a bit busted.. but she does run out of mana quickly, you really have to set those shots up.. its not as easy as it looks.. Of course its easy the other guy sint looking to dodges ricochets..

WarpesJul 25, 20172 votes

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The problem is the guy does not understand that a regular Q ricochet is just like Lucian's Q. WHen the thing it bounces off of dies its much much stronger... just as if you hit a Cait trap.. Don't stand ona cait trap.. u gonna get headshoted.. Stand behind minions or ezreal gonna Q your face... Get ready for sivir's Q , dodge it or its gonna do double dmg when it boomerangs back..... You hit a jhin trap, get rdy for his W or he will root you onto the trap and it explodes under your feet... etc.. etc.. etc...

"Oh look that minion is 1 shot do I want gold for a last hit on the minion I want to get or let MF ricochet me" You might sacrifice some health for a regular ricochet to get a minon.. but don't do it for the bonus ricochet.

I wont lie though I just started MF and the cooldown on it is a bit busted.. but she does run out of mana quickly, you really have to set those shots up.. its not as easy as it looks.. Of course its easy the other guy sint looking to dodges ricochets..

I understand exactly how it works bud.

And I realize, just as I said in my not so gigantic or hard to read OP, that I understand "the counterplay would be not to get hit by that ricochet". But it's not so easy as just avoiding it when she casts it on a dying minion. It not even as easy as sacrificing hp vs cs.

Especially with the right support on her side, the ability to hit that freaking hard at LEVEL FOUR is monstrous. With ANY champ, and she's a freaking ADC.

Killing minions with the first shot is not that difficult at all either, especially once you get used to it. I have played her myself. And her ricochet Q damage is freaking busted for what she's able to do later, and needs to be toned the fuck down. That's my point.

CatSithJul 25, 20171 votes

Dont stand behind minions with low health.......

WarpesJul 25, 20172 votes

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Dont stand behind minions with low health.......

Because dying minions never happen in League of Legends where theres a full wave of them every minute...

That's like saying "just don't ever get hit by skillshots..." because that never happens occasionally even if you're good at dodging, right?

CatSithJul 25, 20171 votes

it has a small cone for the bounce to go off, very easy to stay away from. You can farm while evading her Q. You just have position yourself away from her when shes trying to get an angle from a low health minion, just move in the other direction.

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

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it has a small cone for the bounce to go off, very easy to stay away from. You can farm while evading her Q. You just have position yourself away from her when shes trying to get an angle from a low health minion, just move in the other direction.

Cus there's never any other factors involved. Like enemy supports, cc, being zoned, pushed into narrow turret bottleneck, etc, right?

My point is all it takes is for her to land 1 hit in freaking 8-10, and you basically need to fucking back. That's a problem.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

well then all skill shots are cancer too right and they need not to exist in the game?

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=00040000000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-25T03:53:34.211+0000)

well then all skill shots are cancer too right and they need not to exist in the game?

Ah see you're starting to understand precisely what my logic is here.

Not all skill shots are cancer no, only the ones that are in need of a nerf. And the purpose of my thread was to determine if that shit is cancer as fuck or not.

See, not such a difficult concept now is it?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

and its NOT

ExecutionerJul 25, 20172 votes

It's not cancer

BreathNrelaXJul 25, 20171 votes

I disagree m8.. her Q isn't any stronger than Lucian's provided its not bouncing off a dying minion.

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

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I disagree m8.. her Q isn't any stronger than Lucian's provided its not bouncing off a dying minion.

I'm specifically talking about the bouncing off a dying minion part. And not even remotely talking about it's normal damage...

It's an ability that exists, and it exists for a reason because players will make it hit. Especially if you're being pressured hard, in a game where there's 6-7 potentially "dying minions" every minute.

Just because you can avoid something doesn't make it not need some freaking nerfing. If there was a skillshot in this game that 100-0 anyone anywhere as long as it hit, it wouldn't be perfectly ok just because "you can dodge it".

I'll say it again. 1/2 hp with one ability for ANY champ in this game, at level fucking four, is beyond ridiculous.

BreathNrelaXJul 25, 20171 votes

She is a teamfight ability based ADC imo... if u play her enough even if you are fed, you can't really 1v1 any adcs that have kept up in farm mid/late game... (excluding when MF has duskblade of course, broken...)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

so once again we are blaming a champ and/or ability over the issue with a broken item ?

that is what this post is basically is (THE OP not yours)

i just love the argument all the time ITS ANTI FUN but in all reality there is very little issue with the mechanic of the ability of Q and the passive crit if it kills the 1st target... the issue is the lethality meta of adcs who can take advantage of the stats early game and snowball cuz of it

BreathNrelaXJul 25, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-07-25T03:55:56.944+0000)

so once again we are blaming a champ and/or ability over the issue with a broken item ?

that is what this post is basically is (THE OP not yours)

i just love the argument all the time ITS ANTI FUN but in all reality there is very little issue with the mechanic of the ability of Q and the passive crit if it kills the 1st target... the issue is the lethality meta of adcs who can take advantage of the stats early game and snowball cuz of it

I agree with this guy... I mean the reason I feel I can get so far ahead with MF is because I can spam buying DMG with each back.. only enough for one long sword okay... come back enough for a BF sword? okay.. Only 1100 for a razor? okay.. Back again enough to finish whatever item I want. MF vs draven or Jhin is quite an interesting lane to say the least, it is pretty fun because they do the same....

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-07-25T03:55:56.944+0000)

so once again we are blaming a champ and/or ability over the issue with a broken item ?

that is what this post is basically is (THE OP not yours)

i just love the argument all the time ITS ANTI FUN but in all reality there is very little issue with the mechanic of the ability of Q and the passive crit if it kills the 1st target... the issue is the lethality meta of adcs who can take advantage of the stats early game and snowball cuz of it

How does a level 4 champ with 2 short swords and a dorans blade and no lethality runes have any lethality at all?

Lethality is not the issue.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 25, 20171 votes

already explain the mechanic of it critical strike if it kills the 1st target the 2nd target will do crit strike

and who knows what she ran did you go look?

do you if she had lethality runes cuz most MFs run a combo of flat ad + leathlity

WarpesJul 25, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9lB2AX6I,comment-id=0008000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-25T05:08:47.933+0000)

already explain the mechanic of it critical strike if it kills the 1st target the 2nd target will do crit strike

and who knows what she ran did you go look?

do you if she had lethality runes cuz most MFs run a combo of flat ad + leathlity

Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OK. I totally didn't know that, and totally didn't already say that I know exactly how it functions or anything. Thanks for that bud.

Totally not what I'm talking about tho, once again.

And yes I did look. Not sure if you do or not, but I don't talk out of my ass when I make statements bro.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 25, 20171 votes

It wasn't just that you got hit by her Q. It's that you got hit by her Q after it killed a minion. That's an instant crit.

If you stand back a bit from your minions, you're immune to Q hitting you at all. But it'll only do about an auto's worth of damage if it hits you regularly...