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Pantheon issues

Ghost A5sa5sin··1 votes·700 views

Okay just played him recently and during the match i played i was jungle and reading his passive i assumed i could tank the raptor camp however when the large one was killed the mini ones could still damage me despite what the passive text read and due to that i wasted my flash and went behind. At first i was annoyed but continued to play and then as i played more i realized what the problem was as i couldn't tank any camps that had any other jungle monster other than a buff camps and scuttlecrab. With the due fact i didn't have my tank masteries i fell short but at the point of fights i died cuz of masteries however when it came to jungling i felt lied to as i read his passive and played him with the fact of i was able to use my passive that way however after reading on the wiki after the game i realized what should be written there or if changed so that pantheons passive should only work on jungle monsters and champs.

I'm writing this so that people who play the game but don't check the wiki or is just started playing , doesn't make the same mistake like i did and please riot fix this.

18 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

the passive is after 4? attacks it blocks the next incoming basic attack or empowered auto ? yes ?

im trying to do this from memory

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

i kept using his stun quite frequently and as i had his passive up i was therefore wasting it while killing camps im just writing this so that they can fix the passive text mostly i played older panth when he could do what i have written down and his passive did also block minions and he could jungle better

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ok well you don't use his stun to clear you use q and e

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

i didnt i had to use it while waiting for the cds of my abilities to come back up the point still stands as riot still needs to write down the true part of his passive so newer players don't get upset about it

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

chances are the best clear for him early is blue to red and then gank.... at lvl 3 with his W then back into clear the rest.

but as another person posted the raptors are a bitch early for a lot of junglers... that and krugs...

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

yeah most jungle clear i do is mostly red scuttle raptors blue scuttle gromp wolves and then krugs if no other camp is up

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

see if you have a gap close, high damage /burst early... and on a snowball champ like panth buff to buff gank is the best start if you can get an easy lvl 3 from smiteless at blue then to red smite. then gank bot or mid and get a kill you are set for the game

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

regardless the text is still incorrect and i just want it to show the truth but yeah

Hethalean1 votes

If your jungling clear relies on his passive blocking one AA from 1 of 2-6 mini monsters that does anywhere from 11-20 damage. Your clear is probably kind of already cutting it close. I don't think that his passive blocking an AA from a mini monster would help. For one, when the big one is up, you're far more likely to block an AA from one of the smaller ones anyway since there's more of them and a higher chance of the Next AA being one of them. you'll end up taking MORE damage most likely in those camps.

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

despite the fact it actually would help as he can use his w and block more than just 1 auto its also the fact of the information on his passive is just straight up incorrect

Hethalean1 votes

If you take 90 damage cuz you blocked a 20 damage AA from a mini raptor/wolf/krug, that would mean that you now have taken 70 damage MORE because of it and would have to block at least 4 more basic attacks from the mini raptors/wolves/krugs to even make up for the difference. I'm pretty sure it is a quality of life change to Pantheon BECAUSE of that it could invisibly make you take more damage in certain situations.

Raptor Camp: Crimson Raptor: 20-74 Raptor: 16-59

In the raptor camp it might help a TAD bit since the does similar damage compared to the Raptor. But really in Pantheon's case you should probably not be doing them if you can't AoE them down because of the fact that they'll rip you apart, and anyway, blocking 16-59 damage every 4 autos and once every 10 ish seconds (W cooldown), is not going to amount to much life anyway and you're probably putting yourself TOO LOW (read you could get ganked and just murdered by the enemy jungler).

Wolf Camp: Greater Murk Wolf: 42-155 Murk Wolf: 16-59

In the wolf camp, if you accidentally block one AA from a Murk Wolf when the Greater Murk Wolf is up. You have now put yourself at a health deficit compared to what it works to as now. The 26 damage difference (at level 1) would mean you have to block 2 more times in order to make up the difference. Now it has been a while, but I don't remember wolves taking THAT much longer after the Greater Murk Wolf died to clear the Murk Wolves, so you're just going to be lower in general.

Krugs: Ancient Krug: 60-222 Krug: 20-93 Mini Krug: 10ish (i can't remember and can't find it but it's not a lot)

In this camp, depending on how many accidental blocks the Krug (or mini krug if you kill krug before Ancient Krug) you block over the Ancient Krug, it is upwards of 2 to 5 MORE passive blocks you need to absorb to make the change not just hurt Pantheon and break even.

Now the breakdown on these is harder to do (field test is something that would be required) to see just how many AA's I normally take from each camp from each Large Monster to see just how bad changing the passive to absorb Small monster AAs would hurt his clear. The worst case scenario is to assume you always block a Small Monster which continues to add to the bonus damage you take from the change. It's hard to say especially on Krugs. Raptors maybe helping (again I only do that camp if I can kill the mini ones down fast so they aren't alive a lot longer than the big one), and Wolves pretty much going to only hurt you. My gut feeling is that it would only hurt Pantheon's first clear which is the biggest concern for junglers especially Pantheon.

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

the math doesn't also apply of the times you could use your w plus get off 4 basic attacks regardless the passive text is incorrect

Hethalean1 votes

It's a quality of life change for him in which I'm guessing that they didn't update the text for the sake of brevity or just because this champion is from v1.0. They don't seem to update texts for clarity on champions unless they are getting some work. Which btw, his passive also doesn't work on Dragon or Baron if I recall correctly.

Xavanic1 votes

Don't do raptors unless your heca or shyvana, they do a fuck ton of dmg early game

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

yeah but i did have half health and smite at level 3 but it still doesn't change the fact his passive text is incorrect

Xavanic1 votes

Minions and small monsters don't count for most things, only siege/super minions and large/epic monsters count for things like that

Ghost A5sa5sin1 votes

They do in the jungle but like i said before if the passive had correct text then i wouldnt be here now would i?

Xavanic1 votes

Sigh...pantheons been out for 7 seasons, you would think people would understand his passive

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