make precision viable for AP champ

wildfox99·12/7/2017, 11:02:49 PM·65 votes·2,784 views

actually they are adding 0.2 AP scaling to fleet footwork (0.4 total),but there is no AP that will pick it as precision tree gives only AS,why this tree can't give adaptive AS / AP or adaptive AS / CDR? it would make this rune viable for mages like TwistedFate or Viktor

47 Comments

Fedoran12/8/2017, 12:41:03 AM12 votes

Riot spouts that runes should be open to everyone and you choose your playstyle as well as they help out their “ranged compatriots” (phase rush change) yet immobile mages are just left to spam sorcery/inspiration

ZephyrDrake12/8/2017, 12:43:04 AM10 votes

Azir Kayle Diana TwistedFate ? they are champions that wouldn't mind a bit extra AS

Crett12/8/2017, 12:11:15 AM6 votes

Kayle

Acheron1612/8/2017, 2:05:59 PM5 votes

Why? Precision is about Attack Speed and Auto-Attacking in general, which mages do very little.

The few AP auto-atrackers that use it (Kayle, Diana) are very well served, so no change is warranted.

Terchio12/8/2017, 4:20:40 AM5 votes

Hey now, this is the AS tree, where we get our AS if we don't want crappy AD or AP. But I guess you guys aren't happy until the Resolve Tree admits its true caster roots either, eh?

I wouldn't mind maybe a merger of Precision and Sorcery, though, to be honest. Something of an AS / CDR tree (adaptive?) to focus on more aspects of dueling with speed. The odd part is that Precision doesn't have a lick of MS aside keystones, though, unlike most of the other trees. Kind of a letdown. If Press The Attack wasn't kinda OP on its own, the tree would fall apart altogether.

ªTeemo12/8/2017, 12:41:56 PM5 votes

I don't think precision tree is about ad champions but more for auto attack champions and most of them just happen to be ad

Hammermancer12/8/2017, 9:55:33 AM3 votes

Azir Bard Diana Elise Ezreal Kayle Kennen Lulu Mordekaiser Nami Orianna Teemo Shaco TwistedFate Nautilus Lux

not claiming that it's optimum, but those champs all have some use for the precision tree even with AP build paths, since the only non-applicable rune in the entire tree for AP champs is bloodline, then i don't see the issue

Billy VoHagen12/8/2017, 4:29:21 AM3 votes

I'd actually really like to take fleet footwork on Kassadin, but the attack just isn't worth it on him.

PePsiLemoNN12/8/2017, 12:28:56 PM1 votes

PTA Syndra item 3115 Basic 3 times , press R ez

Precision isn't made for mages in the first place so

Shablagoo12/8/2017, 12:36:41 PM1 votes

Probably because it is a mostly attack damage carry tree, almost all the keystones and mini keystones cater to them. But it isnt like Kayle and Diana can't use them. I dont see why it should specifically be catered to other mages when it is already viable on some. It isnt like Arcane commet is viable on all adc's it only is viable on some, I dont see a problem in that either.

wildfox9912/8/2017, 2:14:22 PM1 votes

some made nice points saying there are some APs that can use this AS but what if sorcery would give only AP instead of adaptive AP/AD? sure jhin players would complain... i could say he still have some AP scaling but he would like more some AD,limiting this tree to only APs (and some hybrid champions)

edit: i think the ones who downvoted misunderstood me,i don't want sorc to be an only-AP tree,it was just an example :/

new runes are made for being flexible,so why an AD can get adaptive stats on "mages" tree but mages can't with the "ADC/bruisers" one? the only AP that may want this AS is Kayle,others would still prefer some AP or CDR,especially some potential footwork users

Boop Daddy 12/8/2017, 3:06:32 PM1 votes

Presence of mind + Mana Band has been a godsend for Aurelion Sol.

DuskDaUmbreon12/8/2017, 4:31:56 PM1 votes

Precision isn't for AD or AP. It's a tree that gives attack speed. This means that anyone reliant on attack speed would want it.

As pointed out, this just happens to be a lot of AD champs, because attack damage always boosts AA damage, while AP boosting it is a far rarer case. But you'll see that those AP champs that do utilize attack speed (with the exception of Azir, I believe) tend to opt into it.

Making it adaptive AS/AP or AS/CDR would actually fuck over AP champions that wanted it for the attack speed, while doing next to nothing for AP users (few other runes in the tree are worthwhile for mages. Only Fleet Footwork and Press the Attack might be worthwhile for actual mages). Screwing over all AP autoattackers to give mages the option for one of two keystones they don't even really want is not a good decision.

GrReaper9612/8/2017, 5:14:50 PM1 votes

Or better yet, Rito should make more proper AP auto attacking champs beside Kayle . Personally i wouldnt mind Teemo being turned into one

Battalion12/8/2017, 7:35:25 PM1 votes

TwistedFate

Precision:

  • Press the Attack
  • Fleet Footwork

Domination:

  • Electrocute

Sorcery:

  • Aery
  • Comet

Inspiration:

  • Kleptomancy
  • Glacial Augment

Resolve: ಠ_ಠ*

  • I had a TF last night go top lane and take Grasp of the Undying, do not do that.
AirKingNeo12/8/2017, 1:30:54 AM1 votes

Maybe Fleet Footwork's scaling isn't adaptive so hybrid champions can actually use it and not get half effectiveness.

DragonShea12/8/2017, 1:35:51 AM1 votes

I said earlier that the rune pages don't offer sustained or burst DPS that is universal to all classes but it's gated by class roles meaning that precision is made for ADC's but not Sustained DPS and Domination is for Assassins and some burst Mages but or all classes.

SweedishGunner12/8/2017, 2:30:38 AM1 votes

I like the idea but Viktor probably still wouldn't use it. He already gets an MS buff from his Augmented Q and needs damage from his runes.

hazerddex12/8/2017, 3:59:14 AM1 votes

Lulu Azir Kennen Kayle

Kaìju12/8/2017, 4:31:50 AM1 votes

What rune in precision are you looking to get?

PopcornBunni12/8/2017, 4:39:13 AM1 votes

It would be nice if Press The Attack was changed into a 3-unique-attacks-or-spells proc with a lowered damage boost as well. 12% is kind of absurd as-is even with the bugfix making the proccing hit not apply its own bonus damage.

waiting for WoW12/8/2017, 5:06:49 AM1 votes

Yes please RIto I want Lethal Tempo Azir to be viable so badly

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