Eve just isn't working so well anymore

JPlayah·Mar 26, 2015·55 votes·1,984 views

I understand that Riot wanted Eve to be better at hit and run tactics, but with the loss of her sticking power, it just isn't working out. Either she needs the changes reverted, more damage on her abilities, more range/faster travel time on her Q, or a larger effect on her W's new passive (maybe a 2 second reduction on spell hits instead of a 1 second reduction). In her current state, I find it very difficult to stay on target, and my enemies just... run away from me, even when I work some movement speed items into my build. This makes me sad. Riot please fix this.

EDIT: If you're going to downvote, could you at least add something to the conversation? This isn't a troll thread I'm making here.

28 Comments

VisigothMar 27, 20154 votes

The problem is they nerfed her because DFG existed, then nerfed again because at the end of season 4 they decided to gut Khazix Elise and Evelynn since they competed with LeeSin and then the new jungle came in and all 3 of those struggle now, some Evelynn more than others.

KaisadiIIaMar 27, 20153 votes

Just revert back her W change. RIOT said that wanted to be a buff. It has been actually a nerf, so revert it.

Usamin PlanetMar 26, 20152 votes

she just needs to be deleted and reworked riot cant never balance her

DreadlocksMar 26, 20155 votes

That grammar though.

Widder88Mar 27, 20152 votes

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she just needs to be deleted and reworked riot cant never balance her

Shut up. l2p

TenSlashTenMar 27, 20152 votes

they gutted her I've completely stopped playing eve after the W being proced by spells was removed.

RIP eve 2009-2015 Sigh... Going back to j4/noct/shy/nunu/lee jungle

Like the Q changes were shit The E change was shit. Just constant nerfs on my favorite jungler since her release and I'm just done.

They call these changes they make "buffs" or for "diversity". Full of shit. Done reading riots bullshit.

Widder88Mar 27, 20151 votes

AP-ratio of Q buffed to 55%, AD-Ratio buffed to 70%, E procs Lich bane, arcane blade, basically has a 110% AP ratio now, stealth timer reduced, base armor buffed etc. Well that all doesn't matter of course. R damage was changed to current health damage. E damage was changed to physical. You can buy flat AP and CDR instead of magic pen. But that doesn't matter of course. You can buy Rabadons instead of DFG. Doesn't matter of course. You can kite jungle monsters, use spell vamp quints. Doesn't matter of course. QQ

I can't read this bullshit any longer.

Eve = best champion. Period.

doiminat0r3600Mar 26, 20151 votes

She was SUPER strong in season 3 but now... she is just terrible. the enemies can see her from 700 units away, which is almost as long as her q, she has one CC with a 150/120/90 second cooldown, and she is melee. if she wasnt melee, then it would be better, but since she is, her passive is next to useless now. Her good features include 1. Insane mana sustain 2. Max health Ultimate damage. other than that, not good.

InvisaBishhMar 27, 20154 votes

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She was SUPER strong in season 3 but now... she is just terrible. the enemies can see her from 700 units away, which is almost as long as her q, she has one CC with a 150/120/90 second cooldown, and she is melee. if she wasnt melee, then it would be better, but since she is, her passive is next to useless now. Her good features include 1. Insane mana sustain 2. Max health Ultimate damage. other than that, not good.

Her Ult deals Current health. Not Max anymore.

ZrimaMar 27, 20152 votes

Her ult needs some base damage. I mean come on, even DrMundo 's cleavers hit for 80 / 130 / 180 / 230 / 280 magic damage, on top of the %current health damage. Currently if your enemies are near dead, your huge aoe that makes a lot of blood red spikes sprout from the earth, complete with a huge splash sound and Evelynn's laugh, that zone may never, never kill anyone. However, you get a shield! Yay!

I know, it's just a game, and not everything is supposed to make sense. However, Evelynn is supposed to be an assassin, and an assassin that loves making people suffer Evelynn :"I like it when they scream!". Currently, that ult is hardly her style.

junglerboy16Mar 27, 20151 votes

Mundo's cleavers have a minimum damage threshhold, not a base damage. Basically, if x% of their current health is lower than 80/130/180/230/280, it deals that as a minimum, not as a base damage on top of the % current health damage.

ZrimaMar 27, 20152 votes

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Mundo's cleavers have a minimum damage threshhold, not a base damage. Basically, if x% of their current health is lower than 80/130/180/230/280, it deals that as a minimum, not as a base damage on top of the % current health damage.

You're right, sorry. But my point stands, that ult shouldn't have no minimum damage. Maybe 300 - 350 damage I don't know, It's weird to see very low life champions getting hit by that ult and surviving.

junglerboy16Mar 27, 20152 votes

I can't disagree, it really should have a minimum damage, or instead it should be reworked from an initiation spell (because really, an assassin shouldn't be an initiator) to a finishing spell that deals % missing health.

YfrappefortMar 27, 20151 votes

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Her Ult deals Current health. Not Max anymore.

And they only did it back then when is was OP along with DFG. Now that the item is gone, I think it would be reasonable to put it back on max % health.

Starcall CaseyMar 27, 20151 votes

Trolls always just downvote good posts because they have nothing better to do. At least these trolls dont go out and murder someone and instead they leave hurtful comments and downvote. I wish eve got an overhaul but riot has put her on the backburner for now.

FluxBoundMar 27, 20151 votes

I haven't had the chance to play her yet on 5.6, does phage give her back the stickiness? Furor boots? Maybe riot plans to push her into building trinity

bunglyfeMar 27, 20151 votes

played my first game of her last night since the changes and I do like the changes to be honest. i had no troubles with sticking to targets with W, it really felt similar to the old W BUT now you dont have to wait for a kill / assist to get W resets in team fights which can help you chase down kills that would have otherwise gotten away in a lost team fight.

Her massive problem still is her early game. Eve gets destroyed by the jungle and really relies on a kill on her first gank or basically just falls behind. In the game I just played with her the enemy lee died at 140~ to our invade and i stole his blue. From there i did golems then my red but had to smite red, used both pots and still barely lived. I then failed to get a kill in a mid gank and basically was behind the rest of my team from that point on.

This wouldn't happen if eve had some sort of minor sustain added to her Q or a small health / armor buff. If her Q dmg got lowered by a small % and had a lifesteal bonus added in it would do wonders to her clear. Eve has zero sustain, does not build any sustain items and is only useful in the jungle where she needs sustain to survive. Doesnt work

junglerboy16Mar 27, 20151 votes

I don't really play Eve, but a while back somebody posted a video explaining how she can kite camps with hatespikes and get a lot of free damage off before needing to actually fight it (before the soft lease ends), that and if you start Krugs you can proc the stun really fast with E (2xs on-hit procs+bonus attack speed for frequent stuns=safer clear). If you do those things, she actually clears pretty healthy.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Mar 27, 20151 votes

I honestly agree with you Eve's not quite viable now. However, I personally really hate going against her. When she's good, you almost have to buy pink ward every time you back until Lv9. Those can be cleared nowadays, so pink wards are really painful to buy.

junglerboy16Mar 27, 20151 votes

Eve was supposed to be the "run you down" assassin, and the way they've changed her gutted her only real sticking power (unless she gets a Rylai's or FM I guess). This nerf was totally uncalled for and really has no reason for happening.

SaiannaMar 27, 20151 votes

Return Eve to her pre-reworked state so she'll be an actual assassin. That's all i want.

Curling VeigarMar 27, 20151 votes

Implying she was ever "working well"

AuryielMar 27, 20151 votes

Let's start by making her E magic damage again and reverting that stupid ass Q missile speed nerf

Critmaster GarenMar 27, 20151 votes

they took the lazy way out and nerfed her into the gound again, instead of fixing the actual problem. which is, that you cant properly ward against her. pinks are mostly useless since theyre too easy to remove.

a strong eve is a cancerous eve in her current state. we need green wards to work on her at least somewhat. even if it just displays her icon on the minimap, while shes still invisible on the field. then she can get her damage and maybe sticking power back.

wasnt there something on the pbe recently, they tried? i think green wards were supposed to give a warning ping when a stealthed champion is around or something like that?

ShadowParkerMar 27, 20151 votes

It's called Mandrake ward, it's still on PBE. It does not give vision, only pings

Adrian UmbraMar 27, 20151 votes

The loss of her sticking power for a little bit less cooldown on her W just doesn't feel good and I have no idea how it got through playtesting. Comparing this patch to the last one, I feel like overall she's been nerfed more than buffed, as the 4-80 extra MS is worth more than a few seconds less on her W or a little easier time stealthing. I'm wondering if she'll get "buffed" more once Mandrake Ward hits live or if they'll just leave her in her current state...

Stark6000Mar 27, 20151 votes

eve and every other melee without a gap closer

Vegas DadMar 27, 20151 votes

Uhm eve is garbage and will literally always be garbage for a few reasons regardless of how hard riot pushes her with stupid buffs that actually do nothing to improve her play.

They wont allow her to exist because they have become married to "the vision game" garbage that league has become and she nullifies the vision game they push. They push the vision game because they have no idea how to make players play the game instead of safely farm so the new "objectives" are vision control to try to promote player interactions.
Having both AP and AD scaling on a turbo squishy champions means they simply will never be effective in combat. So you have a squishy champ, that really cannot poissibl built to do any dmg and lacks any ultility as well.....what exactly can eve do? Nothing beyond being a mobile green ward. By the time she builds enough ad and AP to put out any reaosnable dmg everyone reasistances are high and now you need both Mpen an Apen oh well back to not doing any dmg still being squishy.

Wait before you say it if you build her tank she is still a terrible tank because none of her abilties beyond her ult promote tankiness and her base stats are insanely low.

So just stop whining about eve she will remain trash teir for like ever until riot does another remake then shell be OP because of her invisibility and they will nerf her into the dirt again.