what if lifesteal didnt apply with crit damage?

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People have been complaining about crit and lifesteal for a long time now and Riot doesnt even acknowledge those two game mechanics what so ever. (Or atleast they did years ago and havent brought the topic up since... to my knowledge)

Problem isnt even with both together, they also pose glaring gameplay issues separate from each other too. (More so crit than lifesteal)

i think lifesteal is mostly fine, although i also think the effects should be half or at least 75% for ranged

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Crit itself is due for a rework at some point in the near future, maybe PS9. See what happens then?

yes but i think it would be good for a temporary fix in the meantime if nothing else. honestly i never liked the ability to have a relatively diverse kit while still having it be powerful in any one way, yet adc's can get 70%+ crit chance with some lifesteal, cdr, and even some defensive power and mobility all in one build. i always used to really like how with basically every role you had to either be average at a few things or really specialize at one maaaaaaaybe 2 things in your build, but now its just so much more cut and dry with stats and item powers all mixed together, imo thats the primary culprit of the lack of itemization diversity in the game.

A) your argument argues against itself because this would be a nerf to crit not to lifesteal and it would encourage more diverse builds for adc's and would encourage them to build more lifesteal rather than just straight crit with barely any lifesteal

B) lifesteal 1000000% does not need a buff just because grievous wounds is common in the game, lifesteal isnt supposed to be ridiculously powerful to begin with and considering grievous wounds isnt exactly a permanent debuff whereas lifesteal is a permanent buff that heals you on aa's i am very opposed to the idea of buffing it specifically because grievous wounds is common.

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Base auto attack damage not Base ad.

yeah thats what i meant

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That would make it borderline useless i'd think

i disagree, i think we're just so used to lifesteal in the crit builds that adc's have all been building for so long that we forget that lifesteal by itself now is actually im pretty sure a little stronger, and it was ok back then. that being said, the difference of the lifesteal on BT now being unique could impact that a lot because i remember the beautiful 5 BT builds. man i miss the old cheese days when you could do stupid crap like that and it would actually work.

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In one hand the Boards want adcs to buy Lifesteal so we don't go full crit and deal that much dmg, and in the other there are posts like this asking for massive nerfs for Lifestel.

Interesting.

imo nerfing lifesteal instead would only make crit that much more necessary because even lifesteal would be straight useless without it