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@Riot - I am going to intentionally throw games to show you why it should be banned - P5 player

MPendragon··8 votes·4,545 views

I'm Plat 5, and I am going to do it in ranked games.

Every single game my allies leave me for dead. I am going to return the favor to them, and I won't stop until you make this a bannable offense. And I don't mean a days suspension, I don't mean a two days suspension, and I don't mean a week or a two week suspension, I don't mean banned until the end of the season. I mean banned. Unable to continue playing on this account. Indefinitely.

I have tried numerous time. I have written numerous threads. I have never gotten a single response from your behavioral or development team with an agreement to fix this issue. I will personally show you why players should be banned for refusing to participate, and leaving their allies left for dead.

Certainly you are going to ban me for doing this, and you most likely won't fix the issue. Why is that? Because I am acknowledging that I am doing it. Each and every day, people are doing it without acknowledging it, and you see that as ok. They have the opportunity to claim that they are not doing it intentionally, or they're doing it because they're unskilled, or they don't know any better. Bullshit. Bull fucking shit. Who the hell gets carried to Plat? Who the hell doesn't have to utilize the gray matter between their ears to advance in this god forsaken hell hole. I have to grind so fucking stressfully through multiple divisions, and the problem in which I initially protested, still exists.

There isn't a single person in the Plat division, OR THE GOLD Division for that matter, who doesn't realize that abandoning their comrade in an engagement, is a disadvantage play. YET they do it, again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again. This is intentional game throwing, because the people realize that they are NOT making an advantageous play. Yet you don't seem to give a SHIT about it. I have never done this EVER, because I came to the conclusion six fucking years ago that it is game changing, and thus is intentionally game throwing. Yet I am going to do it now, because you must make a change to it. Your community is fucking garbage because you allow this to happen.

And I have said before in the numerous fucking emails to your support staff. This is DIRECTLY linked to toxicity. You remove one, you remove the other. They go hand-in-fucking-glove. You just punish people for being toxic, when they have the most fucking legitimate reasons for being so. Yet you adamantly refuse to solve the initial problem of WHY they are being toxic.

As I have said before, the ball is in your fucking court. I really hope to God you fucking do something about it.

58 Comments

Bresn6 votes

I really see your point.

However Rito "plays safe", it's hard to determine from chat logs and records that somebody just ran from a winnable fight, etc unless the team is yelling at a member and he says "Stfu I don't care about winning"

MPendragon1 votes

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I really see your point.

However Rito "plays safe", it's hard to determine from chat logs and records that somebody just ran from a winnable fight, etc unless the team is yelling at a member and he says "Stfu I don't care about winning"

Exactly. I'm not sure whether of not Riot actually reviews the video of the match or just reviews the chat logs. So if a player is non-verbal, yet is a major hindrance to their organization's goals and objectives, they aren't punished for it. AFAIK only the chat logs are reviewed, which honestly neglects 80% of the possible reportable offenses. And unless an individual verbally announces their intentions to throw the game, they aren't punished for it.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Exactly. I'm not sure whether of not Riot actually reviews the video of the match or just reviews the chat logs. So if a player is non-verbal, yet is a major hindrance to their organization's goals and objectives, they aren't punished for it. AFAIK only the chat logs are reviewed, which honestly neglects 80% of the possible reportable offenses. And unless an individual verbally announces their intentions to throw the game, they aren't punished for it.

And Riot doesn't punish players for being bad. If your trolling, or throwing PURPOSEFULLY, or such you can be punished. Being bad at the game is not a reason for punishment though.

MPendragon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9aZL6OPB,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-04T23:54:32.850+0000)

And Riot doesn't punish players for being bad. If your trolling, or throwing PURPOSEFULLY, or such you can be punished. Being bad at the game is not a reason for punishment though.

If, as I said I am going to, throw the game intentionally - but I don't verbally announce it, except for in here. I can't be penalized, can I? That's the issue i'm trying to address. You should not have to verbally announce it in order for it to be a punishable offense. It's an exploit that people use to 'get away with murder'.

I may or may not be arrogant, I may or may not be boasting. I no longer know. I have played in the moba gaming genre for so long, that I have a crystal clear concept of what is game throwing, and what is not game throwing. It only requires an individual to ACTUALLY THINK, to realize that.

Bresn1 votes

I don't imagine you being pleased when there's a final teamfight to determine the outcome of a match and your ADC said "Brb getting those golems" while the rest of your team died.

MPendragon1 votes

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I don't imagine you being pleased when there's a final teamfight to determine the outcome of a match and your ADC said "Brb getting those golems" while the rest of your team died.

No, that's where the team fight is, and he's still farming them. Derp...

NemiSisQQ1 votes

If you believe that then explain why they have a report category for unskilled LOL

Lord Dusteon5 votes

...and wouldn't this either end not getting everyone or getting people who didn't go back in and suicide with the other person?

"Please report jungler, he ran away from the fed enemy team when I was by myself".

Guess what, it's sometimes best to cut your losses at 1 person instead of killing yourself trying to save them.

Bresn2 votes

He was referring to things like ditching a baron fight, running away from finishing the nexus and not just saving yourself from a LOST fight. Since he is in P5 I trust that he wouldn't rage over somebody cutting the team loss.

MPendragon3 votes

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...and wouldn't this either end not getting everyone or getting people who didn't go back in and suicide with the other person?

"Please report jungler, he ran away from the fed enemy team when I was by myself".

Guess what, it's sometimes best to cut your losses at 1 person instead of killing yourself trying to save them.

You know,

More often than not. I see this mistake ALL THE TIME, and it drives me literally fucking insane.

I will have my teammates retreat when I initiate on opponents. They won't auto attack, they won't use their abilities, or their nukes. If I am tower-diving on a tower that has a fraction of it's health remaining, and i'm being so heavily CC'd under the turret that I can't do anything, they won't even destroy the tower before they abandon me.

Then after I die, they will engage in the fight.

First of all, that's a major insult to your initiator. Me, and your initiator is predominantly the first person on your team who is going to go on tilt, because things aren't going his way. Predominantly, because they are the shot-caller.

Second of all, now your opponents have their abilities cooled down, and are able to use them again. So you are going to get picked off, and you are going to die. And you just made your bad decision to not engage in combat, a REALLY BAD one, for engaging without your initiator. You basically just turned a situation from a 1-man death, into a 5-man death. Because you really fucking duffed up.

I do agree with you to SOME EXTENT. Although I am a firm believer in my entire team going rambo. If my entire team goes rambo 24/7 my odds of winning go up tremendously. It is much better to die trying, than not to die - not trying.

DrCyanide3 votes

I do agree with you to SOME EXTENT. Although I am a firm believer in my entire team going rambo. If my entire team goes rambo 24/7 my odds of winning go up tremendously. It is much better to die trying, than not to die - not trying.

OP, it seems this is your problem.

You expect, and are even demanding with this post, that every last person in this game give up their own strategies, plans, play styles, etc. and do things your way. You want the YOLO in Solo Q.

You know how those players you despise got to Plat? They patiently waited for teams like your dream team to mess up, then they punished them so hard there was no coming back. In the fall split of the LCS you see teams with both strategies play, and both win at different times.

The problem here isn't your teammates, it's your attitude. Watch some of the EU LCS games. Granted, the slower ones aren't the most exciting games in the world to watch, but they did work.

MPendragon2 votes

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OP, it seems this is your problem.

You expect, and are even demanding with this post, that every last person in this game give up their own strategies, plans, play styles, etc. and do things your way. You want the YOLO in Solo Q.

You know how those players you despise got to Plat? They patiently waited for teams like your dream team to mess up, then they punished them so hard there was no coming back. In the fall split of the LCS you see teams with both strategies play, and both win at different times.

The problem here isn't your teammates, it's your attitude. Watch some of the EU LCS games. Granted, the slower ones aren't the most exciting games in the world to watch, but they did work.

How I feel about it is, I am trying to be a team player. I am trying to protect my teammates, that's ONE of my responsibilities as a jungler, is to protect my teammates. And I go above and beyond what is expected of me in order to do this, or I physically make the attempt to.

What irritates me is when my teammates aren't salvaging my effort, or trying to capitalize on it. Just leaving me for dead, and calling me a feeder. It's like man, I don't want to initiate on our opponents when we aren't ready to fight them, but sometimes I have to, to peel the enemy off of my teammates, so they can survive. I completely understand when an ally is lost, and if you are going to - not risk, but legitimately die trying to save them, and that's not worth it. If I can foresee an attempt going satisfactory for me to make an attempt to defend my allies, i'm going to do it. You can't tell me my attitude is the issue when I'm driving so much effort to try and succeed. I realize people don't want to be coached during their game, and critiquing their performance is only likely to make them play worse. But I don't want to be the one making the disadvantageous play by giving my opponents a free objective either. I critique my own performance harsher than I critique others, because I have played with some of the best players in North America.

What you're saying has validity to it, but the problem I have is I don't understand how to play the game at such a slow pace. I cause so much aggro naturally, that I happen to summon all of my opponents to shut me down - no matter what role I'm playing. I know that they're trying to shut me down because they sub-consciously see how much effort i'm exerting. It's strategical to focus the player's who are trying the hardest. Like yes, that's demoralizing knowing the entire enemy team wants to shut me down, and their game plan is to do that all game long. Does that mean I have to stop trying as hard, or try even harder?

What bothers me is when my teammates are reporting me at the end of the game, for taking such a beating for them. I yoloswag'd to try to defend you guys, forfeiting over my jungle buffs, losing towers and dragons - and the compensation I receive is a report? Like the people at my MMR who the community seems to believe are the honor roles and model citizens are complete assholes. It certainly would be nice to receive an honor for taking beatings as bad I generally do when we win the match because of it. Like, I lay down my life so that you guys can survive, in hopes that we can win this match, show some respect.

Extricate1 votes

That's not the situations he's talking about. GET A CLUE.

You are intentionally missing the entire point to his post. Wow this community is stupid.

MPendragon5 votes

When Riot brings the Tribunal back up and has it working, they REALLY NEED to have it so that you can replay the match.

I want people to sympathize for me, no matter how "toxic" they think I am. In my own personal opinion, the real toxicity are the individuals who are not playing to the best of their ability. That's physical toxicity, which derives verbal toxicity. The bad thing is, people can claim that they are truly offended by verbal toxicity and have the 'verbally toxic' individual punished for it. But you cannot, as it stands, be truly offended by those who are being physically toxic.

People are going to say, "Yeah they might be having a bad game, yeah they might not be as skilled as you." I understand that. I realize people have a bad game, Fuck, I have ten bad games EVERY DAY. And I realize that people aren't as skilled as me, and that doesn't bother me. What bothers me, is I am literally begging my allies to contribute as a team and they are refusing to. And then they turn around and start a verbal discussion with me, one that I can't win because I only have 3 fucking messages to communicate to them with, and then at the end of the match, they report for me verbal abuse anyway, and I get ANOTHER chat restriction once that one is complete.

I don't know how to rally my teammates to get them to do what I want them to do, and yet I want to raise my MMR, I want to climb the ladder, I want to get into Diamond, and I am want to play in the LCS. I have the ability and the skill in order to do so, but I cannot do it if my allies leave me high and dry. Climbing the ladder shouldn't be luck based. It shouldn't be a probability of one team getting more individuals who can't play as a team worth a shit over the other. While each player should not be as skilled as the other, each player should understand the consequences of their decisions to refuse to participate as a team.

Even when you're behind. You are NOT going to get ahead by refusing to participate. I have battled a couple ten-thousand brains on this. You must work together to achieve victory. If this means the ADC has to start peeling for the initiator, then that is what they need to start doing. So many times I have an ADC who hasn't got a single kill to his name, and already has four or five deaths, and they are trying to call the shots. No. Start Participating as a team, and then you will realize that you do stand a chance of winning, and you don't have to hibernate in base, allowing your opponents free reign over the entire map, and all the contents of which they can farm to do so. Because you aren't going to win if you allow your opponents to do so. Unless they royally fuck up. And if you're banking your complete game strategy on your opponents fucking up, WITHOUT YOU PSYCHOLOGICALLY MAKING AN EFFORT TO DO SO, IT iSN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

Vicvictorw5 votes

Let's reduce toxicity by adding more toxicity.

Brilliant strategy, OP.

MPendragon3 votes

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Let's reduce toxicity by adding more toxicity.

Brilliant strategy, OP.

I prophesize that removing players who refuse to participate as a team, will remove verbal toxicity.

I rarely ever have individuals verbally toxic towards me. As a matter of fact, I don't really give a shit if they are or if they aren't. I don't care. Yet, I can assure you if I play the hypocrit, and I begin doing what frustrates the living shit out of me, I will see an increase of verbal abuse towards me. Again, not that I actually give a shit. You could call me a child molester, and I wouldn't be offended by it. Yet if you're being physically abuse, that is something I do care about.

MPendragon3 votes

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I prophesize that removing players who refuse to participate as a team, will remove verbal toxicity.

I rarely ever have individuals verbally toxic towards me. As a matter of fact, I don't really give a shit if they are or if they aren't. I don't care. Yet, I can assure you if I play the hypocrit, and I begin doing what frustrates the living shit out of me, I will see an increase of verbal abuse towards me. Again, not that I actually give a shit. You could call me a child molester, and I wouldn't be offended by it. Yet if you're being physically abuse, that is something I do care about.

This is my hypothesis, directly linking "Refusing to participate as a team" and "Verbal abuse". I honestly believe that the two are so closely linked together, that it isn't even funny. Yet you guys challenge me, and say "Riot will never change this, because it can't be changed." With that being said "Verbal Toxicity" will never change.

And believe it nor, I realize how much of a contradiction it seems like, with my extremely frustrated rant and promise to throw matches. I actually DO want to better the community. I do enjoy playing this game, occasionally. I DO want to be the change that I wish to see in this world. I really do. This is why I am trying to stand up so strongly for what I believe in, because I DO believe I can make a difference. And if you guys can relate to what it is I am trying to stand up for, YOU can make a difference too.

I mean who the hell plays this game to troll other people intentionally? Random stangers? I don't think these people need a smack upside the head, I think they need a shovel driven across their face. I really do, and I don't condone violence in any way.

dearritofku2 votes

i fucking agree with OP. if you remove the players that just sit back and watch and then say shit like 'well ur dead and im not' then you will remove 60-80% of verbal toxicity.

ImAHeroForFun5 votes

Keep raging at what your teammates do instead of improving yourself. You'll definitely solve things that way. #brilliant

dearritofku2 votes

are you a liberal? i feel like you basically just called this guy a racist. are you missing the entire point to his arguement? IF YOUR PLAYERS WON'T PLAY THE GAME, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE YOURSELF? it's jerkoffs like you ImAHeroForFun that ruin it for others with your bullshit like 'dont rage just improve yourself'. get fucking real you leftist twat.

ImAHeroForFun1 votes

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are you a liberal? i feel like you basically just called this guy a racist. are you missing the entire point to his arguement? IF YOUR PLAYERS WON'T PLAY THE GAME, HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO IMPROVE YOURSELF? it's jerkoffs like you ImAHeroForFun that ruin it for others with your bullshit like 'dont rage just improve yourself'. get fucking real you leftist twat.

ok well the idea of personal responsibility as opposed to social responsibility is most generally considered a right wing ideology... lol also, why are you so angry? Im going to guess its because you have the emotional maturity of middle school preteen.

Stephenizgod4 votes

How would they decide whether a person walking away from an initiate is doing it on purpose?

How would they decide whether it was a bad call? they cant see the future so its hard to tell whether it was a bad call or not.

How would Riot punish someone for walking away from a fight? Why should the punish someone for walking away from a fight? Should they punish everyone who CS's wrong? Calls a bad drag/baron? Misses a skillshot? Fail Flashes?

Maybe your team sees something you dont?

Maybe you went in at a bad time?

Have you tried pinging or talking to your team "when i do X you do Y"?

Instead of demanding everyone changes to your way of playing, i think you need to learn how to change your way of playing to fit your team. Its true if people would stop abandoning you when you initiate then you might win more games. BUT if you would stop going in when you know they will abandon you, you will stop being abandoned as much. Then there is no more problem.

Ping a turret several times then dive, if your team walks away then you know they are bad, so stop initiating and diving. They arnt going to follow you anyways so whats the point? Try to win in other ways, because what you are doing is refusing to change and getting mad that no one will change for you. Without communication it is hard to coordinate a teamfight, you dont know whats going on with them and they dont know whats going on with you.

There is not and shouldnt be any punishment for abandoning a teammate. There is something wrong with doing that obviously, but this is a game meant to be enjoyed not a dictatorship... i can do whatever i want as long as it is within the rules of the game. I choose not to abandon my teammates, others choose to abandon their teammates, some choose to continue to be abandon, some choose to ignore their teammates, some choose to lead their teammates, some choose to always follow their teammates... goes on and on... all within the rules of the game so not much can be done about it pal, sorry you are upset, but try to remember one thing: The only person who can make this game fun or not for you is you, don't let other people effect you so much. If your team isnt following you, stop going in. Thats the best advice i can give.

MPendragon2 votes

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How would they decide whether a person walking away from an initiate is doing it on purpose?

How would they decide whether it was a bad call? they cant see the future so its hard to tell whether it was a bad call or not.

How would Riot punish someone for walking away from a fight? Why should the punish someone for walking away from a fight? Should they punish everyone who CS's wrong? Calls a bad drag/baron? Misses a skillshot? Fail Flashes?

Maybe your team sees something you dont?

Maybe you went in at a bad time?

Have you tried pinging or talking to your team "when i do X you do Y"?

Instead of demanding everyone changes to your way of playing, i think you need to learn how to change your way of playing to fit your team. Its true if people would stop abandoning you when you initiate then you might win more games. BUT if you would stop going in when you know they will abandon you, you will stop being abandoned as much. Then there is no more problem.

Ping a turret several times then dive, if your team walks away then you know they are bad, so stop initiating and diving. They arnt going to follow you anyways so whats the point? Try to win in other ways, because what you are doing is refusing to change and getting mad that no one will change for you. Without communication it is hard to coordinate a teamfight, you dont know whats going on with them and they dont know whats going on with you.

There is not and shouldnt be any punishment for abandoning a teammate. There is something wrong with doing that obviously, but this is a game meant to be enjoyed not a dictatorship... i can do whatever i want as long as it is within the rules of the game. I choose not to abandon my teammates, others choose to abandon their teammates, some choose to continue to be abandon, some choose to ignore their teammates, some choose to lead their teammates, some choose to always follow their teammates... goes on and on... all within the rules of the game so not much can be done about it pal, sorry you are upset, but try to remember one thing: The only person who can make this game fun or not for you is you, don't let other people effect you so much. If your team isnt following you, stop going in. Thats the best advice i can give.

If I don't engage in combat, I won't win. I can physically prove this to you, and I am going to with my set of matches. In fact, I have already done this once before. And I dropped from Gold 4 to Silver 2, in two days. Out of a possible 25 matches, I did not win a single one of them. Granted each person should approximately have a 50% chance to win a match, thus their W:L% should be 50. If I do not participate with my team, that will drop to 0%. Maybe 0.5%, but I can literally count on (just recently) two hands, out of a possible 15,000 matches where I have been carried without my participation.

How would they decide if a person is doing it on purpose? Because they can gather information on the collaboration of times that this occurs, and use it to teach the community that it is the leading cause of game defeats. And then they can make it a reportable offense, after the community acknowledges the new ruling.

Here's another way.

I have seen people farming creeps, on the same screen as a team fight, and refusing to participate in the fight, or assist their team in any way.

That's like being in a warzone, and playing Solitaire while your fellow soldier is being stabbed to death, and continuing to play cards. The only possible excuse you could have for this, is you are blind. But you aren't blind, because you've clearly found an effective way to farm CS.

You will not sway me from my viewpoint no matter how hard you try, and I completely understand your viewpoint. I don't want people to be banned from this game, or suspended from this game. I don't want players to be punished for their actions, I want the community to be able to enjoy the game.

As it says in the Summoner's Code of Conduct, rule 4:

Enjoy the game, but not at anyone else's expense.

It doesn't take a therapist to understand that if your allies are begging for you to participate because they cannot handle more than they should be handling, that they aren't being verbally abusive to you. They want you to step up, and contribute as much as you should be doing. I'm not going to enjoy tanking every single lane's opponent for them, while they leave me left for dead. I mean, i'd probably have a better time doing it if they actually fucking commended me for doing so, instead of reporting for me for it.

I fucking lay my characters' life down, so that these guys can have an easier time in their laning phase, and there is no fucking gratitude. No wonder I get so pissed off about it. They get this realization that I enjoy laying my life down for them without gratitude, so they begin to expect it from me. Then they don't see it as an issue when they are making a disadvantageous play by abandoning me, while I am trying to be a team player.

I came to the conclusion that I would probably have a more enjoyable time playing the game, if I refused to participate as a team. That is WRONG, and "I" came to that conclusion. "I" have played with - Meet Your Maker - before. That is FUCKED UP. I have been trying to teach the community that refusing to participate is the most influential game-changing decision that you can make, and yet I am strongly considering doing it, because it just might be the only possible way that I get to enjoy the game.

This is driving me mad, and I don't mean upset yet I do get upset more often than I don't get upset. It is literally driving me insane.

I have said this before, yet it usually steers me the wrong way. For a nation so patriotic as the United States of America, you would think people would have some compassion, some companionship, some heroism, some courage, and some sympathy, instead of cowardice. I am a Canadian, and I am not trying to insult the United States, I just realize that the USA has ten times the population of Canada, so when I am writing I am generally addressing my issue to ten times more Americans. In the U.S. Army Code of Conduct, which i'm sure the vast majority of you already know, it says.

I will NOT leave a fallen comrade.

It is not only a Code of Conduct, but a law. It is an offense punishable by incarceration. I realize that this is a game, but come on. There are other people out there besides yourselves, why play a team game if you aren't going to play like a team.

Stephenizgod1 votes

I wasn't trying to change your opinion btw, just letting you know that there are things that need to be answered and there are different option before you go on your losing streak on purpose. Which is a terrible idea, it will prove nothing except you are no better then your teammates when it comes down to it. Dont lower yourself to their level, otherwise you will be a hypocrite and invalidate your own point.

I know you are mad about this, but honestly there is nothing you can do about them. The most you can do is talk to your teammates about it, if that doesn't work then just change how you play, stop being the initiator and if they get mad who cares? Riot wont punish you for not initiating anymore then they will punish those that abandon you.

It is normal to get upset when you are losing or your team is frustrating, but when you cant let that frustration go it is best to take a break. Otherwise you end up in this situation, threatening to go on a losing streak to see if you will get banned. Also i would recommend trying out a different role for a bit.

Bresn1 votes

I have matches as Warwick where I go guns blazin', knowing I'm tanky even to sustain off the enemy team and nobody enganges with me despite how easy of win certain fights would be. There's sometimes a problem of teammates estimating somebody's ability to engage and not die which causes what the OP views as throwing, etc.

Raptamei4 votes

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There isn't a single person in the Plat division, OR THE GOLD Division for that matter, who doesn't realize that abandoning their comrade in an engagement, is a disadvantage play. YET they do it, again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again. This is intentional game throwing, because the people realize that they are NOT making an advantageous play. Yet you don't seem to give a SHIT about it.

Tip:

When your teammates keep leaving you for dead

. . .

Stop going 1v5 all the time.

MPendragon2 votes

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Tip:

When your teammates keep leaving you for dead

. . .

Stop going 1v5 all the time.

You mean when your opponents are diving on your teammates under their tower, and you come in and try to defend them? I should say "ah, fuck it. Our ADC probably deserves to die anyway."???? Or should I be a team player, and try to save their ass?

As mentioned before, the community generically believes it's impossible to conclude whether or not someone is intentionally throwing the game by making bad strategic plays.

Tell me what the difference between my team abandoning me, and me abandoning my team is.

Raptamei5 votes

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You mean when your opponents are diving on your teammates under their tower, and you come in and try to defend them? I should say "ah, fuck it. Our ADC probably deserves to die anyway."???? Or should I be a team player, and try to save their ass?

As mentioned before, the community generically believes it's impossible to conclude whether or not someone is intentionally throwing the game by making bad strategic plays.

Tell me what the difference between my team abandoning me, and me abandoning my team is.

Your team is not helping you because you don't know when to retreat, so they're smart enough to let you die because they'd rather not give the enemies two kills instead of one just because you made a mistake and decide to intentionally throw the game.

Radial2 votes

why would you permaban someone for making a bad play ingame? should everyone silver and below be permabanned for not being good enough to be gold?

MPendragon1 votes

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why would you permaban someone for making a bad play ingame? should everyone silver and below be permabanned for not being good enough to be gold?

No, that's not my argument. That was my argument when I was in Silver, because I believe the players in Silver know better as well. But you can be carried to Silver, even if you don't belong there. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that your contribution is the greatest asset you can give to your team, in hopes of achieving a game win.

Here is my infamous analogy:

(No, this has nothing to do with the Baron comment) If you were to theoretically solo Baron (if you had the capability of doing so), would it take a longer period of time to do it, or a shorter period of time to do it if your teammates were to assist you?

Even a fucking retard can answer that. That's really all the evidence that I need. Obviously a collaboration of damage from your teammates are going to shorten the duration it takes to slay Baron. That's the simplest division of mathematics in the world. You don't even to have a Grade 3 education to understand that. Yet it boggles the brains of people who have a College Degree.

So clearly, with the result of my analogy; it would take a shorter period of time to work as a team and fight your opponents instead of letting one person do all the work. The collaboration of contribution from all of the players on the team, is required to compete against the opponents if all of them are contributing as a whole. DERP?

Aurelius Maximus2 votes

you are going to fail. And not in some glorious way. You are going to fail because this is dumb and unenforceable. Intentionally throwing a game is bannable. Making a strategic decision however questionable is not bannable.

MPendragon1 votes

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you are going to fail. And not in some glorious way. You are going to fail because this is dumb and unenforceable. Intentionally throwing a game is bannable. Making a strategic decision however questionable is not bannable.

It really is not a strategic decision to abandon your comrade in battle. I will put my account on the line, that says I won't win a single match if I abandon my allies in combat. Yet, I still win games if they do it to me. Albeit rarely, since it's detrimental to the odds of winning.

Aurelius Maximus2 votes

it is often a very good idea to abandon a teammate.

Squishy gets pulled? cut your losses.

He dived in to dragon when both our carries aren't ready to fight yet? let him die.

Hell fairly commonly late game a team fight will start when we have supers building on our nexus and i recall to stop us from losing the game to minions but you would probably find someone to blame it on anyway.

The point is you are in the wrong and the problem won't go away until you change

SexyTaylorSwift2 votes

What you call a intentional feed, I call a strategic decision to have the enemy waste mana on me....so I'm going to run into all 5 of them by myself :D

MPendragon1 votes

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What you call a intentional feed, I call a strategic decision to have the enemy waste mana on me....so I'm going to run into all 5 of them by myself :D

I said I was going to intentionally throw (by my definition of the phrase). I never said that I was going to intentionally feed.

Nor am I going to break any of the current rules. I am intentionally throwing, because I verbally acknowledge that I know better. Brings us back to verbal communication, where Riot only apparently punishes you for verbally announcing a game throw. Yet you can do it until the cows come home, without acknowledging it, and you'll get off Scott - free.

SexyTaylorSwift1 votes

I was just going off of what he said. I know that you were not going to intentionally feed. Just making a point to him about how "bad strategic decisions are not bannable" is not a very valid point to make.

Aurelius Maximus1 votes

this would be trolling intentionally and obviously side stepping the point

SexyTaylorSwift1 votes

Again, you think it is trolling. I can argue that I am making the enemy team waste mana, thus playing into my strategic decision.

Aurelius Maximus1 votes

If you could do so convincingly, I would believe you, but you actually can't make that argument. It's like when a child takes a cookie from the jar and you know they did it but they deny it because you can't "prove" they did because you didn't see them take it.

I can't prove it, but 99.99999% of the time they ate the cookie and any fool who says that is trolling.

SexyTaylorSwift1 votes

How would you prove they did it if you didn't see them do it? You are leaving a lot of evidence out of here.

Also, how can I not make that argument? The enemy is wasting their mana, CDs, and ults on me...thus my team will have an advantage in the fight.

Or, I'm 0-4 in lane. I decide to dive the enemy because I think I can kill them and end going 0/5 (obviously). My strategic plan just didn't work. My strategy was to catch the enemy so off guard, that they would not kill me. It obviously failed. Don't even try to argue that one either because my teammates do it every single match I'm in.

MPendragon1 votes

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How would you prove they did it if you didn't see them do it? You are leaving a lot of evidence out of here.

Also, how can I not make that argument? The enemy is wasting their mana, CDs, and ults on me...thus my team will have an advantage in the fight.

Or, I'm 0-4 in lane. I decide to dive the enemy because I think I can kill them and end going 0/5 (obviously). My strategic plan just didn't work. My strategy was to catch the enemy so off guard, that they would not kill me. It obviously failed. Don't even try to argue that one either because my teammates do it every single match I'm in.

I am ALWAYS where the action is, predominantly because I am generally the best player on my team. Predominantly why I am constantly being shut down by EVERYONE on the enemy team.

"Hey, their ADC isn't doing shit to help out their team.....Let's just leave him to do his own thing and focus on the guys who seem like they're actually trying to win." - Nobody actually says this, and the thought doesn't even come to one persons' head. Yet they unconsciously come to that decision.

SexyTaylorSwift1 votes

If your ADC runs into their team, they are probably going to pay him some attention xD

Bresn1 votes

If a 19/4 Rammus runs in solo, the enemy team would just 5-men ult the Rammus, desperate to kill him quickly before he causes damage and further delayed but his tankiness. That's not trolling.

Dreampod2 votes

Not entirely sure why you expect anyone to care. If there is one less rage-filled whiner in the matchmaking queue because he went out and intentionally got himself banned I can only see the positives.

MPendragon2 votes

I couldn't do it, I can't intentionally throw the game, because I don't know how to. I've been diligently practicing for the better part of a decade to be a team player.

Although I seriously don't want to play this game anymore. The chat restrictions are endless, I have a seemingly endless amount of enemy roamers always out to get me, and a non-stop array of allies who will always leave me to fend for myself. The game is no longer enjoyable, I spend more time dead than I do on the actual battlefield, and people have the faintest clue of why i'm stressed out.

The enemies OBVIOUSLY see something in my particular gameplay that everyone else apparently doesn't. And it causes them to go out of their way to ensure that I get shut down, all the fucking time. Yet the community is like, well Thank the Lord, at least they aren't on me, and I can farm in relative peace and quiet and carry my team end-game. When the fuck do I get to do that? My games are so action packed, because everyone have a fucking bounty on my head that it's not even funny. You can't flash dodge the auto attack that is going to kill you, except you try to anyway, because you've been playing dota for 7 years and your muscle memory still hasn't adapted to it. I can't flee from 2 stuns and 4 knock-ups, an exhaust, and an ignite.

Why and how the hell do people expect to get carried when they can't for the life of them contribute their equal share of effort? What a fucking garbage community.

disregardable1 votes

They'll ban you in like 10-15 games. Js.

Bandaged Bandit1 votes

watch trick2g play sometime. ive seen him go an entire match and never engage in a team fight, go 0-4, and dominate/win the game splitpushing. you can win matches without ever fighting the enemy.

MPendragon1 votes

I realize that, yet I feel as though I am called upon to be a front liner team player for my team in most of my matches. Which bothers me, because I feel like the players at my MMR are a bunch of fucking assholes.

No appreciation for any of the shit that you do, I have friends who have brand new accounts and just started playing the game with five times as many honorable mentions than I do. Yet I will receive reports (for verbal abuse, of course, since the toxic ass fucking community has only ever witnessed that as being the only reportable offense that actually stick, even if I haven't said a word to those scumbags) for:

Feeding (Peeling for the carries and dying) Not defending or offending objectives Defending and offending objectives and dying Engaging when the team is not ready, yet they are standing so close in a vicinity beside me that I'm completely perceived they're going to do something. (Note: If you aren't willing to make a commited decision, do NOT stand close to your initiator, and use MORE THAN SUBTLE hints of ping communication to request that they retreat.)

People who play other positions don't understand the stress the initiators go through, because they have so much weight on their shoulders and responsibilities to be THE "go-to" guy, for everything. It's insulting to have to exert so much effort, and get reported for it, and then punished for it, and not have any appreciate it. People literally make initiators NOT want to participate as a team. I said it earlier in this thread, I actually think I would enjoy the game more if I became an asshole to other players. Something is very much wrong with that statement, yet it holds so much validity.

Like when I tell my team I main jungle at the champion select, the posts in this thread that I have written is some of the shit I want them to know about us junglers. We take a LOT of shit from people, rarely get any respect or appreciation for it, and we actually have some the best attitudes towards the game of anybody. I can't even get a commendation for using all of my chat messages in the game, to congratulate my allies on their solid plays. Should I just pack up my game and leave this community? These guys are pricks.

Extricate1 votes

It's hilarious how many people thumbs down the OP but he is 100% CORRECT.

Too many idiots playing ranked with no idea how to play.... Tell you what, if my goalie on our hockey team skated up the entire ice with the puck alone he would NEVER PLAY ANOTHER GAME EVER AGAIN.

This is why no one takes League seriously as a sport. You can do whatever the hell you want in game with no consequences..... As if real sports are like that... SMFH.

Good Post by the OP. The rest of you are a bunch of pussies.

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