Wait, I think I may have balanced Pyke...

mSticky·10/12/2019, 12:30:10 PM·2 votes·1,043 views

The problem with Pyke is that Riot demands that he be a lethality-building support, which isn’t something that game’s economy conventionally encourages. What if Riot shifted their mindset about Pyke such that he was instead viewed as an Assassin who CAN support, but not as a Support Assassin? By this, I mean having Pyke join Swain, Vel’Koz, Sion and other champs who can solo lane or support, then balancing both builds evenly. This would mean:

  • Removing all lethality ratios from Pyke’s kit, replacing with them with regularly AD ratios/base values.
  • Returning Pyke’s waveclear (Q, E)
  • Nerfing the crap out of Pyke’s grey health and lowering Pyke’s base health to keep Assassin Pyke honest and Tank Pyke killable.
  • Removing (or heavily nerfing) his gold duplicating ult. For example, perhaps after getting a kill, Pyke opens a Kindred-like champ select menu (a “bounty menu”) and earns assist gold instead. Pyke could then select any champ (himself included) who would then get the remaining gold difference (Pyke’s stored kill gold minus the assist gold he already received). The total gold economy doesn’t change, but Pyke could choose whether he wanted to support an ally or take the gold for himself and carry.

In particular, the last suggestion would make Assassin Pyke default for solo lanes and Tank Pyke the default support, and that would be just fine. Support Pyke could be balanced around Pyke’s base damage and HP-Damage passive conversion ratio, and Assassin Pyke could be balanced around his scalings. Other versatile champs (J4, Malphite, etc.) have been balanced in the same way, so we know a healthy compromise is possible.

Bruiser Jarvan, Lethality Jarvan, and Tank Jarvan all have different builds and playstyles, yet each one is still iconically Jarvan. If Riot can accept that Pyke can be something aside from a full lethality mobi boots Support champ and still be Pyke, balancing him is intuitive and easy. Pyke’s stalker fantasy exists regardless of what items he builds, and if Riot is willing to compromise on their original vision for the champ, I think we can finally see him in a good spot.

13 Comments

Posui Gart10/12/2019, 12:49:37 PM3 votes

Removing all lethality ratios from Pyke’s kit, replacing with them with regularly AD ratios/base values.

Congratulations, you returned tank Pyke

Returning Pyke’s waveclear (Q, E)

That can now solo top or mid

Nerfing the crap out of Pyke’s grey health and lowering Pyke’s base health

Meanwhile lets kill support and assassin pyke builds so that tank build is the only one that works

Removing (or heavily nerfing) his gold duplicating ult

This would have hurt support Pykes, but, because of other changes, nobody plays Pyke support anyway

Tank Pyke the default support, and that would be just fine.

Its not. We already have enough tank supports, thats why Riot made an effort to kill his tank builds. He is supposed to be an assassin support, with high risk-high reward playstyle. Dont rework him into a 2nd Nautilus

Pika Fox10/12/2019, 2:09:18 PM3 votes

As the first person already pointed out; this would just return tank pyke and remove all support play from his kit.

Malix Farwin10/12/2019, 2:43:56 PM1 votes

A lot of that i can deal with when it comes to pyke, what i cant deal with is how unbelievably safe he is as an Assasin

Jesi Oni10/12/2019, 3:28:26 PM1 votes

Pyke is the only real AD support in the game... Stop trying to turn him into assassin.