If you rework pantheon, can you please make him more like Cassia from HoTS?

MorgManBasher·Aug 29, 2018·28 votes·13,166 views

She is so fun to play and her spear is a skillshot I have a lot more fun with her than Pantheon, personally. I enjoy pantheon, but Cassia is just a cooler verison of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkdtQ1fOZY

47 Comments

YuGiHoAug 29, 201811 votes

cassia is fun but her passive is 100% busted, but we have more hard cc in lol so stoping her movement would not be as bad. the more i think about it the more i think if they did rework panth to be like cassia it would turn out well.

PapaGreg21Aug 29, 20181 votes

Cassia used to be hard countered pretty bad by Chromie, Kal and a few others before all the armor changes. Not to say she wasn't strong but Kal ult could 100-0 you if you went below 75% health.

Champion SkinAug 29, 20181 votes

Well Riot way of doing stuff like that is usually something like gain X% of bonus movement speed as armor (or something like that) which also means it basically does nothing the moment she is hit with just a slow

PowerSlave993Aug 29, 20186 votes

Blizzard > Riot.

BigBrotherAnikiAug 29, 20184 votes

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Blizzard > Riot.

Ye m8 especially Blaze being pure useless,Zoe 2.0 but oneshot you at level 1 called Chromie,Cho'Gal(just fact he even exist in this game) my favorite reworking stealth mechanics to complete fuckery.

SomeoneWhoDidSmhAug 29, 20182 votes

I will agree to the stealth mechanics, I was enjoying Q build Valeera ( Q in stealth ) and then they make only E useful. Also, Blaze has bunker, is tanky, has sustain, engage and almost ALWAYS goes even in lane. He can not win lane but he can not lose too.

KlydeFrogAug 29, 20181 votes

Nah fam blaze needs his passive to smash people

SaiannaAug 31, 20181 votes

Lots of people can't get used to low "obvious damage" tanks. You know.. The ones that don't seem like much untill you check scoreboard at the end of game. Blaze belongs to that group. He might be fine, but he's far from "power fantasy" some players want to have while playing.

I myself stopped playing after stealth rework. They made it so damn... Dissapointing.

YuGiHoAug 29, 20181 votes

blizz put chromie in the dumpster recientily because of her range and damage plus she has no mobility or rng aspect like zoe.

DartExplosion10Aug 29, 20181 votes

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Ye m8 especially Blaze being pure useless,Zoe 2.0 but oneshot you at level 1 called Chromie,Cho'Gal(just fact he even exist in this game) my favorite reworking stealth mechanics to complete fuckery.

chromie just got gutted and she fucking sucks now btw

PowerSlave993Aug 29, 20181 votes

Hots is supposed to be a quick game. If you get one shot by Chromie then you're doing something wrong.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂAug 29, 20181 votes

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Ye m8 especially Blaze being pure useless,Zoe 2.0 but oneshot you at level 1 called Chromie,Cho'Gal(just fact he even exist in this game) my favorite reworking stealth mechanics to complete fuckery.

Clearly you havent played HoTs in a long while. chromie is not nearly as cancerous as u describe her. :)

HungryAngry2SPPAug 29, 20184 votes

OP passive. Gets rewarded by just walking... wait... Yasuo

BârdAug 29, 20182 votes

Except, as the video points out, she just gets destroyed if she gets stunned. Also, it doesn't help against magic damage.

As for Yasuo, it makes no difference to the person playing against him whether it's based on movement or is just a CD. In fact, it's preferable to have it be based on movement since you can pause its "CD" by immobilizing him. It just makes him feel a little bit cooler, it doesn't add any power to his kit unless he's playing with a teamcomp specifically designed to make him go fast (and even then, there are much better champions for that than Yasuo).

KlydeFrogAug 29, 20183 votes

Bro heroes of the storm has lots of ideas i wish league would adopt

xZabaksxAug 30, 20181 votes

Especially her E

KlydeFrogAug 30, 20181 votes

But sadly 😆 people in the league communities would cry op op broken

FleirynAug 29, 20182 votes

Can we just delete pantheon? That would make me happier than joffrey death in GoT

Neptunia xoxoAug 29, 20182 votes

Why make anything similar to that trash game tho

LetMeCarry1983Aug 30, 20181 votes

Hots has a lot of interesting gameplay and champion concepts. I'll never choose it over LoL but it can definitely be fun as long as you don't treat it as a super competitive game like we tend to do with LoL.

SekiroFedTwiceAug 29, 20181 votes

Would 100% love to see a rework on this champ that adds skill to the kit

MonstermushmushAug 29, 20181 votes

wow that Cassia looks really fun. Her spear looks like Vel'koz Q

Mokuto BunshiAug 29, 20181 votes

TBH I think a panth rework could be even better.

Frosted TipsAug 29, 20181 votes

If* you mean When, Pantheon is extremely toxic in design I deserves to be the next reworked champion.

NevrankroatonAug 29, 20181 votes

I can guarantee you that some 'famous' mordekaiser main will threat Meddler, Reav and everyone if it happen.

SomeoneWhoDidSmhAug 29, 20181 votes

Just saying that her HP bar at the time of the spotlight was as big as a very mobile assassin, and she blocked 65% with the passive, now she blocks 40% but has a lot more HP.

PapaGreg21Aug 29, 20181 votes

100% agree. It also allows somebody like Cassia to remain relevant throughout the game.

Daddy AntsAug 29, 20181 votes

That R...

Brand ult comes to mind.

Hemulen MagiAug 29, 20181 votes

I watched the video and I am not a fan of that design. Pantheon could be better, and maybe a skillshot spear could help, but he is still much better designed than that HotS character in my honest opinion.

NocaNohaAug 29, 20181 votes

I would love to see pantheon's spear working like Vayne' condemn but taking that Riot likes inovation.. they gonna make a spear that makes kebab if it hits few champions in a line, like the main spell of this Cassia

btw that energy ball looks like something Ryze had in his previous versions haha

SaiannaAug 29, 20181 votes

I'm slightly butthurt considering Casia's supposed to be D2 hero, yet she's fucking nothing like amazon from D2.

RavenMagusAug 29, 20181 votes

She's a javazon, which is what a lot of people played anyways (spamming lightning fury). She is missing all the bow skills but it's hard to fit both into one character.

SaiannaAug 29, 20181 votes

Javazon or not. The point I'm making is Cassia doesnt have even 1 ability that matches her D2 original. Javazon had like 10 goddamn amazing abilities in D2. not even 1 got to HOTS. Not even single fucking one. Yet OW heroes, who by only have 4 abilities? Even if those break HOTS in half (mobility is just as big issue in HOTS as it is in LOL), Who cares, they will still get exactly the same kits cause OW is popular. Almost every D2 hero is the same. Maybe except Diablo and Necro.... to some extend. Cassia might be fun as a hero, but they took her D2 identity and replaced it with w/e this shit she has right now.

Just imagine any Blizzard hero you like being totally different in hOTS for no reason.

RavenMagusAug 29, 20181 votes

What are you talking about?

Lightning Fury was the premier Javazon ability and Cassia has it. It's pretty much the same ability.
Fend isn't exactly the same but it's close enough.
Her Evade passive is just like Amazon's Evade passive.
She even has Valkyrie, though I'll admit it's different, sure, since it's not just a pet that follows you around.

Ball Lightning and the flashy blind thingie are new, sure, but she has a lot of classic Javazon abilities still. Could they have added more instead of those? Sure, but to say that she doesn't even have one is still when she does.

SaiannaAug 31, 20181 votes

Yea, it's lightning fury only be its name. It's NOWHERE NEAR how LF worked in D2.

D2 evade passive was whole different thing. It was meant to make her slippery and squishy, while in HOTS its making her a fucking tank with extra steel plates on top.

The valkyrie part.. Dude.. Just because it has an animation or it contains "valkyrie" in the name means jack shit, if the ABILITY is different than D2.

Valk in D2 was never much of a "i'll go melee" unless she was cornered and couldn't do anything better. And even then she'd throw thunder gods around. And "amazon" in HOTS is pretty much melee with everything to make her work as a melee. Yea, she does have range, but she doesn't have it at its core.

To summ it up 3 abilities that somewhat relate HOTS amazon to javazon from D2 relate in fact only by name. She also has 2 new abilities. And the only thing that came from D2 is her passive, that was also changed/buffed to fit in her "i am melee now" theme. That sure feels like really well copied hero from their own game. 1/6 abilties made into the HOTS. Out of fucking 10 they could have used (30 if they'd use also her other D2 skill-trees).

RavenMagusAug 31, 20181 votes

She COULD be an "I'll go melee" character. Just because everyone played her doing nothing but throwing Lightning Fury doesn't mean that's the only thing she could do. Javazon actually had more melee abilities than ranged ones.

D2 evade passive was whole different thing.

Having damage reduction is effectively equivalent to having evade, except it's less RNG. That's a good thing, IMO. Otherwise it's functionally the same; the point being she's hard to damage while moving. Same as D2.

1/6 abilties made into the HOTS.

Evade was in D2, Fend was in D2, Lightning Fury was in D2, Valkyrie was in D2. Just because they don't work exactly like your strict vision of them doesn't mean they're not those abilities.

Maybe they should have focused on being a ranged character with Lightning Fury as her only ability because that's how most people played Amazon, but taking the skills as is from the game, Javazons actually were biased towards melee.

SaiannaAug 31, 20181 votes

Evade was in D2, Fend was in D2, Lightning Fury was in D2, Valkyrie was in D2.

Just because you name something as it was in D2 doesn't mean jack shit if it doesn't do the same thing. If you really don't get this then I see no point talking with a thick wall of brick, really.

RavenMagusAug 31, 20181 votes

Oh but they do the same thing. I'm sorry that you're so restricted in your thinking that you can't imagine an AOE melee attack named "Fend" being anything similar to an AOE melee attack in a different shape named "Fend".

Granny Smiths and McIntoshs look different, but they're both apples.

I enjoyed our chat, brick wall.

SaiannaSep 1, 20181 votes

Granny Smiths and McIntoshs look different, but they're both apples.

From my pov those are 2 different fruits and thats the whole effing issue

CRIMSONFKRAug 29, 20181 votes

It looks nice but all pantheon really need is a change of his Q and E, the rest of his kit is pretty fine imo. His passive support diving and encourages aggressive behavior for a lane bully, but that other passive is just a more busted Yas' passive and a middle finger to adc's.

stone the blacksAug 29, 20181 votes

if they rework him, i want asol to murder him in the lore again and have it be a avatar all together, thus explaining different looks and what not

Warlord DienekesAug 29, 20181 votes

But Atreus is the only good thing about the Pantheon lore.

TheCodeisCupCakeAug 29, 20181 votes

Nah dude fuck playing against Cassia. She starts moving and if your AA based your fucked.

Stars ShaperAug 30, 20181 votes

Most of the AAs in HotS have some sort of movement impairing ability, Cassia E roots herself and anyway the passive is balanced around being in teamifghts 80% of the match.

Giving the right numbers it can be easily and healthly transported into LoL.

CunkyAug 29, 20181 votes

yknow ill just drop my panth rework concept here https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/K0JXj3Q9-my-pantheon-rework-v3