My concern regarding new Conqueror iteration on the PBE..

Mc Raton··4 votes·1,706 views
2/11 PBE Update: More Tentative Balance Changes

Conqueror (Precision Keystone) [Conqueror has a new effect testing on the PBE!] [Tooltip clarified] "Attacks or spells that deal damage to an enemy champion grant 3-15 Adaptive Force (based on level) for 3s (8s for melee). Stacks up to 5 times. When fully stacked, 10% of your damage is converted to True Damage and you heal for that amount."

This runes favor more champion pool thanks to the adaptative. However there is something that bother me from this iteration still as it will most likely break Tryndamere Yasuo Fiora Darius Jax and every current Conqueror user. They now gain at max stack of conqueror , 15-75 AP or 3-40~ish AD , 10% of their damage as heal and the convertion of 10% damage dealt in true damage. The thing that bother me the most is that champion with hybrid damage specially like Jax/Kayle , do 3 form of damage with Conqueror. Physical, Magical and True damage. It make it almost impossible to itemize against them. I suggest we change the true damage convertion and add a 10% BONUS damage adaptative when you fulled stacked conqueror. For instance, if Jax deal more physical damage, he get a bonus 10% adaptative physical damage when he get 5 stack. It boost your combat without making it impossible to itemize as Armor now still mean something. If Kayle take Conqueror, she deal mostly magic damage, it would be adaptative 10% magical damage on top of her current damage done. Think of old Corki passive but instead of true damage it does an bonus 10% adaptative damage depending on your main source of damage.

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Alzon3 votes

It’s actually worse on those champions than the current Conqueror. It will be most powerful on multicast DPS mages and on-hit marksmen/Kayle.

Mc Raton1 votes

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It’s actually worse on those champions than the current Conqueror. It will be most powerful on multicast DPS mages and on-hit marksmen/Kayle.

Well, marksman and mage only last 3 seconds against 8 second for melee.. it's taking time to stack and doesn't last long. It's like old fervors basically except the healing and true damage conversation.Honestly thought, we have too much true damage and we don't need a runes with it. Conqueror true damage need to be changed.

Sucction1 votes

It refreshes while they're in combat though lol

Done252 votes

Tanks are going to love this so much. They can finally have a rune outside of Aftershock.

Mc Raton1 votes

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Tanks are going to love this so much. They can finally have a rune outside of Aftershock.

What? Tank won't use this rune at all.. it's in precision.

Alzon2 votes

Yeah they will, because they survive long enough to make good use out of it. Why get a couple Grasp procs, when you could have Conqueror fully stacked by the time you’d proc Grasp the first time and heal for a ton more, plus nearly double your damage output?

Mc Raton1 votes

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Yeah they will, because they survive long enough to make good use out of it. Why get a couple Grasp procs, when you could have Conqueror fully stacked by the time you’d proc Grasp the first time and heal for a ton more, plus nearly double your damage output?

Dude, they won't...

Alzon1 votes

Very nice argument

MankeyMadness1 votes

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Yeah they will, because they survive long enough to make good use out of it. Why get a couple Grasp procs, when you could have Conqueror fully stacked by the time you’d proc Grasp the first time and heal for a ton more, plus nearly double your damage output?

Because Conqueror only stacks from ... doing ... damage. To champions.

Gently smacking minions doesnt build stacks. Conqueror is designed to -KILL- tanks.

Done251 votes

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What? Tank won't use this rune at all.. it's in precision.

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Paroe1 votes

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Conqueror Triumph Legends: Tenacity Last Stand Conditioning Revitalize

tbh legend tenacity is AMAZING and should be in the tank tree anyway. 35% free tenacity? With merc treads thats 50% tenacity.

Mc Raton1 votes

When you get straight downvoted without reasoning... good job .

Bears Dont Care1 votes

Again, Jax would rather use PTA same with Fiora.

Mc Raton1 votes

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Again, Jax would rather use PTA same with Fiora.

I doubt it. Its still better than PTA for both of said champion.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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I doubt it. Its still better than PTA for both of said champion.

PTA provides a multiplicative 12% damage, and both Fiora and Jax have AA resets allow them to proc it nigh instantly. Conqueror doesn't provide the same damage increase even with the AD increase that it provides along with the 20% true damage. The math has been done before.

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