is the 8% strengthen on Spell Vamp actually worth taking over the 2% flat? Assuming you're committed 18 into the Cunning tree and can only choose one or the other.
Asking from a general point of view, but really, I'm wondering which direction is best for Akali. I'm pretty much just looking for math comparisons on the two though.
The Bearded Bard1 votesHmm you might be onto something here. But does Runic Armor work with spellvamp? It doesn't say.
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Hmm you might be onto something here. But does Runic Armor work with spellvamp? It doesn't say.
You're right, it doesn't say. I didn't even notice. But it does say Lifesteal, I assumed it was tied in with that. But I may be wrong. Not sure why it wouldn't be though.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 voteswell right now ferocity is much better for all champions really. cunning gives nothing. tho i heared next patch precision is gonna get buffed to 5 flat penetration and then it will be good.
also, right now perserverance is way too good to not go 12 into the defensive tree.
Ziovi1 votesuhm... since you can go 18 points in one tree and 12 in another, the choice is based on the last 2 tiers. Now, from your comment it seems (i may be wrong about this) that you think that the 7% penetration of the ferocity tree is much better than the flat penetration from the cunning tree. However, if we are talking about magic damage (since rarely people stacks a lot of magic res), the flat pen works better than what you would think. The enemy needs to have 47/51/56/60/64/69/73/77/81/86/90/94/99/103/107/111/116/120 mag res at lvls 1-18 for the % pen to be better than the flat one. Once you buy Void Staff it's 72/79/87/94/101/108/115/122/129/137/144/151/158/165/172/179/185 at lvls 1-18 Many enemies in mid lane will have only 30-42 mag res (depending on runes) for most of the match. If they buy abyssal scepter, they gain another 50 mag res, getting to 80-92. However, i think that at the time they get it, their level will be high enough to let the flat penetration still be better or more or less equal to the % one. And with more levels, the advantage of flat penetration gets bigger unless they buy even more mag res. Some melee champions that are played mid will have their base mag res increase with their levels. If they also build abyssal (or maybe maw, if they are AD), than there could be a part of the game where the % penetration mastery is slightly better than the flat one. Late game when you have void flat penetration is still better in most cases, because it's not very common for champions to get more than 185 mag res. Also, the flat penetration is both magical and physical, which means that, even if only by a little bit, it helps with AA poking early game, especially against melees.
That said, the difference is not that big, actually, so it depends more on what keystone mastery you want to get.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesyeah nice calculation. the 7% is not neccessarily better but the tree is just better. cunning gives nothing except double pen and 5% bonus damage on champs below 40% health. sure, thats NICE but its not enough for 18 points. the keystones are useless with the exception of some champions and thunderlords decree.
i mean check this: 3+ flat penetration and 5% bonus damage to champs below 40% hp which is overall 2% bonus damage. on the other hand, ferocity gives: attackspeed/2% ability dmg, 3% increased damage, spellvamp/lifesteal, ANOTHER 2,5% bonus dmg, penetration and a situationally good keystone.
there is literally no reason for any non-support champ to go into cunning ever. its fucking useless. and since the defensive masteries are much better for 12 points than anything else, go 12 into defense with any champion always.
so what im saying is, go 18/0/12 on every non-support champ always.
Ziovi1 votesof course if you want to invest 12 points in resolve and have to decide between 18/0/12 and 18/12/0, you will need to consider the whole tree. I was saying that, on the other hand, if you want to decide between 18/12/0 and 12/18/0, only the last 2 tiers are relevant. I personally like going 18/12/0 or 12/18/0 on many champions that don't have a good sinergy with the resolve tree.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 voteswell as i said, 12 resolve points are WAY stronger than 12 points in any other tree. its just REALLY REALLY GOOD, that means you will put 12 points into resolve ANYWAYS. now the question is to go ferocity or cunning for damage because all they give is damage anyways. ferocity gives triple the damage of cunning and the only reason you would go cunning is if you dont want damage but some support-utility for your heals and shields which is pretty strong but well, on supports.
ViashinoWizard1 votesRunic Armor breaks even with Vampirism at 25% Spellvamp. That being said, the other Ferocity talents are going to be a lot better for Akali than the resilience ones.