[Suggestion] Upcoming Assassin Update - Zed's W change (Living Shadow)

Elikain·8/6/2016, 3:50:06 PM·6 votes·1,409 views

I'm not a Zed main but i feel like Zed is in a decent place right now. However, i believe that he still has a bit too much mobility put into his kit and sometimes, how fast he deals damage is hard to react to. I don't have to talk about his reaction time window since that is the point of the Assassin Class Update so i'll throw in my 2 cents how to combat his super fast, point and click, 1 screen away mobility.

Considering that Zed usually builds Yomuu's, it's a decent option for people who want some added mobility and damage on the side in their builds. But in Zed's case, Yomuu's bumps him over the top and Yomuu's itself is in a pretty decent place. Zed needs to be toned down a notch, not the item - in my opinion.

#Here's how:

  • W - Living Shadow

Still spawns a shadow that copies Zed's spells like now and grants % bonus AD. But it no longer allows Zed to swap positions with it. Instead (by activating W again), Zed gains a self buff called "Living Shadow" that allows him to assume shadow form and is untargetable, invulnerable and un-CC-able for 2 seconds. He can still use spells BUT he loses the ability to autoattack for the duration. In short, Zed loses a part of his mobility but gains a powerful Zhonya-like effect that allows him to do his job uninterrupted in a brief window of time.

The animation for this would be like Kalista's Dark Spear tether to his W shadow and activating the buff would play the animation for the shadow akin to Azir's death animation to point out the duration of his buff to Zed and his enemies. I also think that this change would be thematically sound for him as he becomes a shadow himself, not just manipulating them.

There are some ponential abuse cases, like with CDR and constantly abusing his state to waste enemy CDs and be as annoying as possible so with that in mind:

  • his W get's a static CD.
  • Or he gets a temporary debuff (like Kog's R and Kassasin's R) that halves the duration of his state by half with each use (min 0.25 sec). The debuff needs time to taper off in order for his effect to be at full strength again.

#TL;DR:

His W, Living Shadow, needs to go but needs to be replaced with an equally powerful mechanic for losing mobility. Introducing "Living Shadow" buff. It gives Zed a nice Zhonya-like active perk.

#This is just a discussion, not a petition for Riot to implement the change. I brainstormed this when i woke up, for some reason thinking about Zed. It does not even mean that this might be a good idea however, i'd like to get the opinion of the masses to see if maybe we're on the right track with Zed.

46 Comments

Astôlfo8/6/2016, 3:56:13 PM8 votes

Uh yeah no, let's not give another assassin a Fizz E.

J4 Ulted Mexico8/6/2016, 3:54:46 PM5 votes

"untargetable, invulnerable and un-CC-able for 2 seconds"

So now you want him to kill his target, and then have a better escape?

iDarkWind8/6/2016, 4:29:19 PM5 votes

That not would only destroy the what makes Zed being Zed, but it also it's kinda stupid. I'm a main Zed and if they do that ... I won't feel like I'm playing Zed at all.

Stalinium8/6/2016, 4:31:26 PM4 votes

Trying to make assassins less mobile... Have you heard about the Talon rework yet?

They plan on making assassins (namely Talon) the MOST MOBILE CHAMPIONS in the entire game...

Legacy Hydralpha8/6/2016, 4:41:53 PM2 votes

So he turns into a shadow and is untargetable, invulnerable, and able to move around.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/16/may/4Reaper.jpg

Anyways, this is an interesting idea.

Michigun8/6/2016, 4:29:51 PM2 votes

Too op more op than using his blink as a way for defense.

Nahui8/6/2016, 6:09:13 PM2 votes

I'm a zed main and I'd like to say a few things.

So, I already see a massive issue here. He will be horribly broken. Once he ults on someone, nothing can stop him. No cc, no kill. Sure he cant auto, but a Q-E is often all it takes to pop a squishy with enough CD. Assuming they're at full health. This is simply going to be him diving anyone he wishes without being able to be punished as I assume he will retain his R's swap back.

Second, he needs his W's mobility. Only in a direct 1v1 overextended situation can zed really reach someone to ult for them. For the most part, he needs to use his shadow to get into range. If you take his mobility, he becomes some clunky assassin that lost mobility and gained tankiness. As the past has shown (Akali, Ekko) this is poor design. That's why akali lost resistances and gained MS in her shroud and why Ekko's W was hit hard. You do not want two seconds of god mode on an assassin, much less with that ult.

Now should the argument be "Well once he ults in and uses W, he's a sitting duck." Well here's what happens. Either Zed's abilities are enough to kill the target and he's deemed OP and basically a suicide bomber. Or, his abilities aren't enough and needs autos and he's UP because he's a suicide bomber who doesn't kill.

It will also dumb down zed. Currently, as much as haters might deny, zed requires shadow play to be successful. In low ELO perhaps it's easy to w at someone and ult, Q E auto, but higher ELOs it's not. Instead of having a 22 second CD that requires lots of decision making, you'll have an assassin that simply mashes W when in trouble with really no counterplay. The shadow is not a free pass to safety. It's about as free as any other mobility spell. But an on demand, 2 second invulnerability mode is a bit silly. Even Fizz only gets I believe .75 seconds.

And lastly, riot will not be changing zed. They've announced they favor his assassin design for many years now, because it includes outplaying potential and nice, mind-game mechanics. Even for this update, they said they may tweak a minor thing about him, but overall nothing will be changed. They're focusing on the Nuclear warheads that are Talon and Rengar mostly in this update as well a couple others.

Shaaolin8/6/2016, 6:06:24 PM1 votes

PEOPLE STOP DOWNVOTING AND SAYING THIS IS OP w movement + zhonya READ THIS AGAIN: ATLEAST SHOT SOME RESPECT FOR IDEA. (even if its trash or really good 1)

''Still spawns a shadow that copies Zed's spells like now and grants % bonus AD. But it no longer allows Zed to swap positions with it. Instead (by activating W again), Zed gains a self buff called "Living Shadow" that allows him to assume shadow form and is untargetable, invulnerable and un-CC-able for 2 seconds.''

Arakadia8/6/2016, 9:06:07 PM1 votes

Sounds cancerous af.

GULAG 4 U8/6/2016, 7:50:48 PM1 votes

what the fck? Making an assassin untargetable? What?

Duuuuuudeee

Calabok8/6/2016, 5:29:10 PM1 votes

I prefer him banned every game.