Riot wants bot lane diversity? Create an item that increases melee aa's range when attacking turrets

I GANK LANES·Sep 5, 2015·3 votes·604 views

The real reason why there's no one bot lane is because they're ineffective at sieging late game, you can't take towers unless you can dive. I'm proposing to create a consumable or an item that has an active that gives your champ a greatly increased aa range when attacking turrets. dont see why this wouldnt make melee carries viable, or any other group of champs viable.

can anyone see a downside/flaw to my idea?

EDIT: i didnt really think this through so there's gonna be some shit to work out but i honestly think it'd be a good idea with a few tweaks

23 Comments

ApexInTheCircleSep 5, 20152 votes

Tyrants phase blade

+60 ad 10% life steal 20% increased attack speed

Unique passive: phase touch (toggle ability like item 3042 ) Increases auto attack range of melee champions by 150%, while active, auto attacks are only 50% as powerful. (5 s cooldown on changing)

basically this hypes up a melee's range while keeping them in check, this allows melee champions to really lay down some range auto's while keeping the damage in check. Also having a cooldown you have to keep watch of makes it a pretty balanced item.

BattleOxeSep 5, 20151 votes

Seems legit. But I guess riot will think it's too much work to implement

I GANK LANESSep 5, 20151 votes

having it work against everything would create a lot of problems imo, and what's the point of having increased aa range but you lose 50% of the damage?

ApexInTheCircleSep 5, 20152 votes

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having it work against everything would create a lot of problems imo, and what's the point of having increased aa range but you lose 50% of the damage?

nah, you're right 50% would be too much, it would make more sense to just let it do 100% but not crit or apply on hit effects. Basically use it to secure a kill, take out a turret or attempt to grab objectives. Still though, it would make a pretty cool item IMO

Only Play DariusSep 5, 20152 votes

Maybe something that sets up a Heimerdinger turret that does high damage to structures but only damages structures.

StellafreyjaSep 5, 20151 votes

item 3512

Only Play DariusSep 6, 20151 votes

That item is still melee and people can easily kill the voidlings before they get to the turret, it's only good for splitpushing.

I'm talking about a ranged portable turret that can be setup a good distance away and will chew through the enemy turret until one of the enemies proactively steps forward and forces a fight to get rid of it.

Skia AsteriSep 6, 20152 votes

Yes. If other champions where good in a duo lane then ADCs could easily placed in other lanes. The main thing is over all as a class marksmen are the class that suffers the least for being under levelled as they are ranged and not ability reliant.

BattleOxeSep 5, 20151 votes

Most male carries have way more DMG than ranged ones (master yi, trynda), so it would make them kinda OP late game. And, can you imagine jax or irellia hitting at range? They would have much more AA range than their abilities. Just seems weird

I GANK LANESSep 5, 20151 votes

it's just a general idea and kinks would have to be worked out but i think if riot took some time and really want a solution to fix bot lane this could have potential

Goodest GamerSep 5, 20151 votes

this means that ranged adcs bot lane have a chance at losing lane . your going to get downvoted to shit by gosu wannabe's rip buddy. this game is designed to revolve around these adcs. anything that counters them gets nerfed to shit.

BattleOxeSep 5, 20151 votes

Yeah, just remember another one. Why would you play ADC with weak late game when you can play bruiser/male ADC and just increase his range late?

I GANK LANESSep 5, 20151 votes

because it's just on turrets, read the OP. and it'd be an active lasting for a short amount of time

BattleOxeSep 5, 20151 votes

Sorry. I didn't read propertly. My bad. Well, it seems legit against turrets only

PartholonianSep 5, 20151 votes

In theory, I think the Point Runner items are supposed to fill this niche, helping you get in and out of turret range. But they seem to be rarely built.

And of course, anyone can dive if their team has Ohmwrecker, but nobody builds that either.

I think there's a player perception that spending gold on siege/splitpush items will doom you to lose teamfights because your gold is wasted on stats that aren't purely for killing champions. That may or may not actually be accurate, but it seems to me to be the most likely explanation of why siege/push items are so unpopular even on teams that are having trouble closing or basecracking.

If people don't want to build one item to counter turrets, what makes you think that they would want to build a different one?

XinZhao2WinNhaoSep 5, 20151 votes

or you can take a melee bot lane and get a ranged mid or top laner.

that works too

Chuck CharlesSep 5, 20151 votes

ew no. just no. this item would be built on every melee and allow for comps with mostly melee to siege like crazy. it would absolutely dominate the meta. no. melee has its weaknesses for a reason.

Steph9827Sep 5, 20151 votes

go to sleep

you've been playing for too long

Zone of EndlessSep 5, 20151 votes

Even if such item were to exist ADC would still be prevalent in the bot lane because what ADC do is dishing out damage from a distance. Which mean the ADC is also very useful in teamfights and not just sieges alone. They do massive damage from a safe range while melee ADC has to get in close and put themselves at risk.

I GANK LANESSep 6, 20151 votes

well sure they'd be relevant thats not what i was trying to do is make them obsolete, just where there's some advantages taking a melee carry over a ranged, levelling out the pros and cons of each.

Zone of EndlessSep 7, 20151 votes

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well sure they'd be relevant thats not what i was trying to do is make them obsolete, just where there's some advantages taking a melee carry over a ranged, levelling out the pros and cons of each.

There's no advantage taking a melee ADC over ranged ADC, not in the bot lane anyway. As I said it before, ranged ADC are superior because they do damage from a distant so it's much safer for them.

With your suggestion melee ADC mid or top MIGHT take it depending on how good it is, but never will you see melee ADC bot lane with that item.