I can sort of understand Sword of the Divine, i dont like how riot has a nothing 1shot policy but still...
But ATMAs? That item was great! i play a lot of Udyr and Voli and on the its freaking Great! Please keep this item, or rework it (remove the crit?), but a HP AD scaling item was just too awesome whyyyy rito whyyy
pro4never2 votesThey were removed because the items was either worthless and nothing but a trap to confuse people into buying it or were absuive in edge cases.
Atmas was never a good choice on any champion in the game so they removed it (run the math, it was never a good option) SOTD was a bad choice except for abuse cases where it became overpowered and frustrating to play against
Junkο1 votesMeanwhile SotO and Mejai, these items got NERFED in fact
Knight SoIaire 1 votessotd out of the butt twitch whyyyyyyyy??????
NA Darklarik2 votesDude, Atmas was cost effect at 1.6 K health, anything beyond that Threshold made the item worth more than its costs, so i dont know what your talking about, most Champs wayy past that HP # around the mid game.
Junkο3 votesBecause Atma stats are wasted. It gives armor and crit chance, but converts hp into AD. So either you will build for the passive to be wasted, or build so armor and crit will be wasted.
RazorTS4 votesarmor is NEVER wasted stat, crit is ALWAYS usefull on anyone and hp to dmg is great on anyone who built atma's before, i miss it alot >_<
pro4never4 votesDude, Atmas was cost effect at 1.6 K health, anything beyond that Threshold made the item worth more than its costs, so i dont know what your talking about, most Champs wayy past that HP # around the mid game.
Gold efficient doesn't make an item good. Most items are FAR more than gold efficient but that's assuming you value all of its stats.
Atmas is an offensive item for health stackers that only becomes efficient in the mid/late game and also gives armor. Champions who are tanky but care about damage generally get ONE offensive item in the early game and focus on tankyness in the mid/late game. Atmas becomes 'good' only once the people who want it have already bought their offensive items.
PS: The closest comparable item (armor item that gives offensive stats) is iceborn gauntlet which is 110% gold efficient before yo consider its passives... It also doesn't need extra stats like crit damage for its stats to be truly valued.
Meanwhile SotO and Mejai, these items got NERFED in fact
It's a lateral change imo. It's more risky on the item but the only champions buying soulstealer were already expected to never die in a game (janna and lux being the two main examples). Having it start with some charges means if they get ahead early they can capitalize on that and start running away with the lead.
Old soulstealer only became efficient after you dumped gold into it AND continued to rack up kills/asssists. Now a janna who gets ahead early can grab it and have AP right away. She can now go even rather than having to play risky to try to stack it up immediately to make the gold worth it.
Meserion2 votesI built Sword of the divine on Zed to combo with my ult for more damage :( I liked that item.
They both get more use than the blasted snowball items. those items are the real trap especially if you are plaiying in solo queue.
LithiumWednesday2 votesI'm not sure why no one's talking about EC... How am I supposed to kill Akali now? Granted it's still available on other maps but it was a decent niche pick especially for ADCs. There's still ignite I guess :I
chumbler2 votesRiot's itemization team is too lazy to actually do their job and, you know, even just try to balance items.
ZeroAnarchy1 votesThey were the worst items in the game, no point in buying them at all when you can get other items that are FAR better then those items. The only champion that Atma's was even close to viable on is Garen because spin to win.
Narasimha1 votesIt was a design nightmare in itself. You literally had an item that said "You built tanky, so here's some damage." Tanky characters are not supposed to be dealing anywhere as much damage as their squishier brethren.
firepixie3851 voteswhy are you not complaining about executioners calling being taken out that item was better then both the other 2 now champs like swain and mundo get free rides
Sukishoo1 votesIt's still in the game though, you can use it on 3s if you like it that much. It wasn't used very often on 5s though so it's no point in having it there.
Khell DarkWolf1 votesAs a Garen main, I'm just stumped.
I thought the idea was to promote strategic diversity in how we play depending on the situation in the current game, but removing items and narrowing the choices of items doesn't help that it only lessens it. There really is no excuse to take the items (but for this I'm gonna use Atma's impaler) out of the game because there really isn't a reason too.
A bigger pool of 50 items is better then just a pool of 15 items to pick. Because there honestly is no reason to remove it, the item shop code knows no different to the limits of how many items it can sell. And players aren't being forced to buy if they don't want to, wasn't that the whole point of the item shop? Being able to buy what you need to tailor to the situation in accordance to what champion you're playing?
There is also a misconception to how you look at Atma's Impaler currently as an item.
in the past yeah, tanky dps champions probably did abuse it back in its hayday with the metagolem build. But with that nerfed, you have to change the way you look at it and instead look to as what are the reasons you would want it.
I'll explain.
Why do people buy death cap and how do they do they value their item buying? And how does that compare to Atma's Impaler?
NO
Why?
Atma's passive may give you AD based on your HP but you shouldn't really be thinking it as the sole reason and value to why you would buy it. It has to be looked at as more of as the icing on the top of what you're paying for a combination of stats you need in one item. I.E. Sunfire Cape and randuins omen for getting Armor and HP in one slot. Banshee's and Spirit Visage for MR and HP in one item. Blade of the Ruined King for Damage + Lifesteal in one or Lifesteal + attack speed in one (depending what champion you are and what that champion values more to their item build).
Everything else the item brings once you got what you were seeking is just icing on the cake.
So what does Atma's do without the passive? The only item that has Armor + Crit.
That may not look much, but it still helps to have an item that can atleast get some middle ground between the two stats into one item.
Devil's advocate here, I don't want to see ranged AD champions buying it as I think it should still be reserved for the off tanks of old to make more use of. But I will agree the old Atma's passive has got to go, because yes I can see it being a nightmare to balance since Riot doesn't want repeats of the S1/S2 meta golem yeah?
So instead give Atma's something of a passive like:
or
That way only fighters can really benefit from the item purchase.
Tengrichan1 votesI am also sad that SotD has been removed. It was a core item on Zed. The worst thing is there is nothing similar to that item. So i will be probably forced to buy BotRk instead Hydra.
