Guaranteed Combo Champions

Zullar·1/6/2020, 9:40:08 PM·6 votes·6,026 views

Some champions require skill shots and set up to land their combo. There are opportunities for counter-play.
Example: Morgana lands a Q followed by a W and walk in range to R... wait and then R hits again. The whole combo takes ~4 seconds and there are many ways to avoid/break the combo during this time or for allies to help.

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Contrast this to other champions are ~guaranteed to land their abilities against their target (given a few exceptions like Zonya, Fizz, etc.) Example Diana: Point and click E, which guarantees her R, which then guarantees her W and Q. Landing Q first is nice, but not needed to land most of her damage. The whole combo starts off with a point and click ability with little counterplay.

Example Annie: Land any ability (some abilities are ~instant and others are point and click) and during the stun your other abilities are guaranteed.

Example Kassadin post 6: There's no way to position or juke... he's landing all his abilities guaranteed and there's usually nothing you can do about it

Example Pantheon. Point and click W which then guarantees he lands E and Q

Example Rengar. Not uncommon to die in <0.5s as a squishy. R = point and click leap --> undodgeable auto attack into W and E (when he's next to you the W and E will always hit unless you have flash/dash or Rengar miss-clicks)

I think Riot needs to think more about introducing counterplay to some champions. Any champion that has their damage combo ~guaranteed needs some adjustments.

12 Comments

FakeGravity1/7/2020, 1:43:10 AM3 votes

counterplay in a combo doesn't equate less frustration for the players, just look at akali, she can miss all of her skills, same with zoe, zoe in particular had to be nerf because landing one skill might mean the opponent is dead or force out of the fight completely

annie in the other hand have been keep weak by lack of mobility and range because riot knows that if she have easier time getting close to ppl she is problematic.

in your example you expose morgana, morgana is a champion that turn into a support because a Q into assist from your team can be very destructive, compare to her trying to kill someone alone, in which case she is either strong enough to get close, R and hit Q to warranty the R, she doesnt need the second activation, or even use ult because she is just that far ahead, or the enemy retaliate and kill her, the fact that the damage on W is delay so much means it isnt the same level of a threat as lux E a very similar skill, in contrast lux can burst you from farther away

the issue isnt a combo being warranty or not, the problem is the real opportunities they have to use it, have anyone ever complaint about annie being frustrated to play against even if you cant really dodge anything she does?

Hi im 121/7/2020, 9:40:00 AM3 votes

unpopular opinion: its bad for everything to have "counterplay"

RyzeRework1/7/2020, 9:11:37 AM2 votes

I mean with a 3 second bind it doesnt matter if her combo takes 4 seconds...

Pendergast8911/7/2020, 8:21:02 AM1 votes

Qiyana isn't her e>q>r into a wall basically free? and she could then do a w>q>aa while youre stunned if you didn't die. i havent played against a good one in a while so im unsure.

Ionian Vulpix1/7/2020, 3:35:56 AM1 votes

Jab Jab Power Dunk

Hazardus ducees1/7/2020, 9:13:54 AM1 votes

Imagine playing against an Anivia and her stun only needs to go melee range. You can't ever dodge it, it goes though minions, and she gets a free 2nd damage source along with her r if she has it. Its a vicious cycle.

I Smell Pizza1/7/2020, 2:12:51 AM1 votes

It would be fine if that combo didn’t kill in one shot.

Thefrostyviking1/7/2020, 11:02:01 AM1 votes

Morg is a pretty terrible example though.

Because what happens? She lands the root, drops her W and at this point you have either paid the QSS tax or she ults you and pops zhonya so she cant be stopped.

Then when she gets out she will Q-W you again if not bodyblocked, all while using a shield that makes her immune to CC.

A champ that forces you to pay a tax just to deal with them.....has never been fun to deal with.

5050BS1/8/2020, 9:51:18 PM1 votes

Yep

Combos on some champs are just too easy to get off with only skill is knowing the button order.

Other champs that all sorts of repositioning between attacks to do your "Combo" if you even want to call it that.

Riot needs more ways to do "COMBO BREAKER!!!" for these stupidly ez ombos