Why are you nerfing Quinn and Varus as per the latest PBE update?!
These champs are fine. It's lethality that is pushing them to OP tiers.
Please look into tuning lethality which is a bigger problem and is literally making playing any mage or mage support a pain. Please don't nerf Quinn and Varus!
As a long time Quinn player (not claiming to be a master) I'd say Lethality isn't the issue with Quinn. I would buy the same set of items if they replaced Lethality with Flat penetration, Or even a slight buff to AD values. The reason I like getting items that build out of the Dirk is the second passive rather than the first. The roaming potential of the Lethality trio (
) is likely the real draw(for me at least). And the ability to Zip into a lane at 700+ MS and deliver front loaded combo's like Harrier, Sheen, Duskblade, Static shiv-Crit-strikes, Is whats obliterating squishy champions, not any one particular item passive. The only difference now as opposed to a two months ago is now you can do this to the enemy ADC and be back in time to catch your top lane minion wave. The nerf is an attempt to try and tone down her early trading potential by limiting her resources. This way people can have a bit of recovery time before Quinn is in and trading again. It's not a huge nerf, At best it will just make people buy a 
before starting to construct a second whatever their second damage item would be.
In the case of Varus it's not going to make a big difference. He's pretty broken right not because of lethality. Without it he's back to being middle tier. Either way he's gonna see a downtick in win rate. I haven't seen enough Quinns this patch to make a call on that one, but my gut says you're right and nerfing her directly is a mistake.
When you literally have every AD champ in the game being broken OP with full Lethality builds, you know that Lethality is the problem.
Just watch the slew of Champion X Lethality build vids right now on YouTube.
Quinn has no combat ultimate, and both her fighting abilities are on double digit cooldowns with really high mana costs. She's gonna be free gold in the top lane.
The MF nerf is WAY too over imo, completely removing her second bounce damage will screw her laning phase + when lethality finally gets nerfed, she's going to end up useless
varus is legitimately fine without lethality
jhin, quinn, kha, graves, mf - that shit was broken before lethality even existed
With Ashe and Varus they were 1st tier picks LCS pre-season because of how powerful AD caster ADC are vs AA oriented ADC.
The nerfs so far do not address the disadvantage AA oriented ADC have.
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)Nerfing the champs and not lethality just forces those champs to only buy lethality or be worse off then before. Makes no sense.
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Why are you nerfing Quinn and Varus as per the latest PBE update?!
These champs are fine. It's lethality that is pushing them to OP tiers.
Please look into tuning lethality which is a bigger problem and is literally making playing any mage or mage support a pain. Please don't nerf Quinn and Varus!
Preach man. I don't even main these champions and I find it so unfair that they are getting nerfs. The 
looks to hurt really bad too. It's so stupid. Why are they being punished becuase Riot overtuned Lethality? Why not just nerf the source of the problem instead?
These champions haven't even been touched since early/mid S6 and back then they were mediocre at best anyway. Its just blatantly unfair.
Lethality didn't get rolled back, so they need adjustments. Lethality will still be quite strong, nerfs deserved.
I see all this lethality and not once does anyone talk about Talon and how riot is neutering his laning.
This, my thoughts exactly. Seeing half of the lethality users getting such nerfs makes me wonder. Then again, Riot will probably end up nerfing lethality too at one point and then we'll see those champions becoming useless :>
Reminds me of Black Cleaver Talon, boy he got gutted and right after that they finally fixed the item and then Talon got nothing and remained useless for an entire season, I sure hope they don't pull that shit on me again
They did nerf Lethality. They nerfed/are nerfing Edge of Night and Youmuu's if I am correct.
Quinn hasn't even seen many changes and as someone that used to play Quinn when she was garbage I can reassure that the issue here are the items, not the kit. Riot really has an issue balancing this game correctly.
