Karma’s changes have been posted here on the boards to polarizing review, but one thing that a lot of people are argueing about keeping/ relinquishing are Karma’s shield bomb vs. an even AOE shield and movespeed buff. Which would you want?
General Matty3 votesDoesn't Ivern have a shield bomb
AhhShucks5 votesIvern has a shield that explodes after 2 seconds for some light damage and CC.
Karma has the biggest shield in the game, that when empowered exploded for the full shield amount for massive AOE damage. That was a shield BOMB.
General Matty1 votesIvern has a shield that explodes after 2 seconds for some light damage and CC.
Karma has the biggest shield in the game, that when empowered exploded for the full shield amount for massive AOE damage. That was a shield BOMB.
riperino my tree boi. never remembered.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesAaaaaaand we don't see any problem with the combination of that and the new shield bash rune? No? Ok.
IxtaliKing3 votesShe should have both, pre 5.10 Karma was fine with it.
Frosted Tips1 votesThat was not a shield bomb it did like 100 damage.
SilverSquid2 votesWell.... If you had, like 80AP on lvl1, then yes, it did.
Defiance damage: 60 / 140 / 220 / 300 + 60% AP
Frosted Tips1 votesYeah but take into account MR and compare it to original Karmas nuke it just felt like nothing.
SilverSquid1 votesYou mean compared to Soul Shield (Mantra) damage: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 / 280 (+ 80% AP) ? I mean, new RE was better when not levelled, but old one had clearly, slightly better scaling.
New RE never felt like "nothing" to me tho.
Frosted Tips1 votesI'm talking about when it had a 100% ap ratio.
SilverSquid1 votesDon't remember that or find it in any patch note. When was that exactly?
Frosted Tips1 votesYeah I was looking for it too, bit it was prior to her rework.
SilverSquid1 votesThe wiki lists all changes to her (under patch history), even pre rework, there is no trace of a 100% AP ratio? The only change to her shieldbomb values since her inception was an increase by 10 across all levels (to shield&damage) in patch V1.0.0.112
Frosted Tips1 votesSee I know 100% that it was at one point when I played because I remember specifically thinking it was insane that it did 100% of her AP. I feel as if it is missing information.
SilverSquid1 votesPeople missremember things. Sorry, but until you prove me otherwise, I will stick with what the wiki has.
jocomotion1 votesShe should have both, pre 5.10 Karma was fine with it.
I’d agree, but Nuerocat has stated that if they did revert it to that, it would be heavily nerfed to compensate how much of her power budget it’d chew out.
SilverSquid2 votesI see no reason why it couldn't have the values of pre 5.10? NeuroCat lamenting over how Karma's signature spell took up too much of Karma's power budget is incomprehensible to me.
IxtaliKing1 votesI mean revert the whole kit back to pre 5.10 values. NC was referring to the power budget of her changelist, which is largely eaten up that new W. The rework function should have had a more neutral ally function, that CDR/mana combo is too powerful.
Beatrice falls2 votesMulti-target shield and speed bomb.
Frosted Tips1 votesJust letting you know I personally think Shield Bomb is much more unique and cooler than the other, but since Riot has destroyed Karma as a solo lane threat most original Karma mains have moved on so now the pure support Karma mains only remain and they think differently than us so the bomb would probably lose the vote.
Ravenhale1 votesNeither. We have shields from other enchanters and an exploding shield is now a thing in the Resolve Runes.
Give me something new. Give me a reason to play Karma other than her shield numbers are the best. I've thrown out a temporary, adaptive AD/AP buff as one suggestion, which would be interesting if coupled with the new ally W proposal.
Frosted Tips1 votesJanna already has the Ad and lulu already as the AP so how is that unique?
Ravenhale1 votesI don't think Lulu's passive scales with her target. Help Pix scales on Lulu's level and a % of her AP, and Lulu support often has little AP and is usually the lowest level on the team. Only useful on Auto Attackers and best on those with a ton of AS, since the scaling of it has nothing to do with the target.
Janna does have more of what I'm thinking about, but that's only for AD. Sure, she can support a mage and maybe if the AA a lot, they'll actually get some use of that. But the last time people thought... "Man, Janna's shield gives her partner so much free damage" it got nerfed. [V6.6] I guess we can't have offensive shields that mitigate too much damage. Oh... wait... that sounds like Shield Bomb. Don't know why anybody wonders why this isn't being brought back.
I'm not saying the AD/AP buff is the best thing since swiss cheese. There are plenty of runes that stack adaptive damage in the game (albeit in small quantities). But if we want originality, Karma needs to get out of the Shield business.
Ætheist1 votesMantra - Defiance: Inspire's shield strength is increased. Casting Inner Flame while hovering the cursor over the unit shielded by Defiance will instead immediately detonate Inner Flame on the shielded unit's position, dealing its Magic Damage and Slow to nearby enemies and restoring X% of Karma's maximum Mana for each enemy champion damaged.
Automated Riven1 votesTbh her shield should be multi target and have the speed boost as a basic ability and with mantra it should be a bigger single target shield with the bomb.