Armor pen is causing this damage meta....

GigglesO·Dec 7, 2018·10 votes·4,722 views

5ish seconds through with W shield, and the guardian proc...

Fun game

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uOOxFQI3fU

27 Comments

TennousuDec 7, 20187 votes

You show us your items, but neglect to show what the enemy Volibear, Lucian, and Jhin have. Thus, you can't really tell if their damage output is greater than normal or to be expected.
You have a large amount of armor, but only about 2.5k max HP. You need to stack health along with armor to maximize your effective HP. Swapping out that frozen heart for a Warmogs or Randuins (or any other health item) would have made you far more tankier.
Your being concentrated on by 3 opponents, two of which are ADCs at late game, and literally eat Lucian's rank 3 full ult to the face. Note there is also a level 16 Volibear with his ultimate activated whacking you, dealing 155 magic damage a swing, and uses his own W execute on you at the end. I would be more upset if you DID survive.
You start off with roughly 300 armor, and dip to 234 armor, which is still roughly 70% physical damage reduction. This further encourages the idea that you simply didn't have enough HP to back up your armor in the first place which led to you dying.

EedatDec 8, 20184 votes

Armor pen is causing this damage meta

Literally a single armor pen item between the 3 of them that you were face tanking.

Legit what do you want? You tanked 3 enemies for a solid 10 seconds

LTK KoRoDec 7, 20183 votes

Ah Yes, armor pen, the stat which only assassins buy. Y know, these guys who are currently mediocre.

GigglesODec 7, 20189 votes

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Ah Yes, armor pen, the stat which only assassins buy. Y know, these guys who are currently mediocre.

item 3071

I personally want to blame this stat stick of an item.

LTK KoRoDec 7, 20188 votes

item 3078 this item outshines your item in 90% scenarios.

Seriously, every bruiser about which boards complain build Tri instead of BC.

doiminat0r3600Dec 7, 20181 votes

you mean this one item 4403

EschetonDec 8, 20182 votes

No, that was a tit for tat situation where you went even in lane if the other built armor. For the AP jungler to then come in benefit from that clever pick. Teamwork!

Now, building armor still means you are behind unless your champ is OP enough to not care because runes add an extra lever where damage outscales defense from level 1, and the jungler can be AP or AD, as long as they spec damage in runes, they will kill or force a back. No teamwork needed. No reactive item-buys. No fun by those with a strategic mindset.

GayFluffyUnicornDec 8, 20182 votes

The item noone builds because it is utter garbage?

GigglesODec 8, 20181 votes

Illaoi Darius Garen Riven Aatrox Lucian Irelia MissFortune MonkeyKing

all build it regularly... and there are others that still build it...

AirKingNeoDec 8, 20182 votes

not meta not meta unless you're below diamond garbage sucks right now builds assassin items anyways ok, whatever gets trinity good synergy, so ok also garbage and irrelevant

Lady HammerlockDec 8, 20181 votes

Cleaver hasn't been amazing for ages now not gunna lie.

I mean there are certain champions that buy it because they can stack it insanely fast, and the burst of triforce doesn't matter to them nearly as much. Overall it really isn't something to blame.

ADC YuumiDec 7, 20182 votes

And it only takes a Dark Harvest Zed 4 seconds to kill you with those items.

meowwow7Dec 7, 20182 votes

that's alot of armor with only 900 extra hp built so what is that armor protecting?

GigglesODec 7, 20183 votes

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that's alot of armor with only 900 extra hp built so what is that armor protecting?

You do realize that 400 armor (that includes orns base) is supposed to be 80% damage reduction right?

Effective health on almost 2880 hp is 14,400 hp... Effective health 25% armor pen on 2880 hp is still 11520 hp...

Damage/armor pen is legit just too damn high...

HyperrDec 7, 20181 votes

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You do realize that 400 armor (that includes orns base) is supposed to be 80% damage reduction right?

You do realize that tanks are pretty boring to play or play against, this is a good thing.

GigglesODec 7, 20188 votes

Some of us actually like tanks. Thats why you get all these one shot complaints.

Sure I shouldn't be unkillable... but damage shouldn't be as high as it is either.

SillaeDec 7, 20185 votes

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You do realize that tanks are pretty boring to play or play against, this is a good thing.

In your opinion. I don't like assassins but I dont demand they can't do their role and cheer when they are unplayable.

GigglesODec 7, 20181 votes

Sentiments of a tank main vs an assassin main.

Assassin main "Tanks should die fast" Tank main "assassins should just kill me slower"

Warlord RhinarkDec 7, 20184 votes

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You do realize that tanks are pretty boring to play or play against, this is a good thing.

What the frick man.

Not cool.

Iota ThetaDec 7, 20187 votes

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You do realize that tanks are pretty boring to play or play against, this is a good thing.

That..addresses nothing the OP was talking about, and completely subjective.

DNFVixenDec 8, 20181 votes

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You do realize that 400 armor (that includes orns base) is supposed to be 80% damage reduction right?

Effective health on almost 2880 hp is 14,400 hp... Effective health 25% armor pen on 2880 hp is still 11520 hp...

Damage/armor pen is legit just too damn high...

Riot doesnt give a fuck about us players enjoying the game so they keep ramping up the dmg and basically giving us the middle finger when we ask them to lower it.

IfnethDec 7, 20182 votes

At some point, the Marksman has to kill the Tank within a reasonable amount of time. While also drawing the attention of two other enemies and without disrupting Lucian, you took his entire ultimate and survived. Imagine if you’d locked Lucian down and that your team had followed that initiation—you would have won the fight and been thrilled.

BjørnetjenestenDec 7, 20182 votes

And true dmg

ZerglingOneDec 8, 20181 votes

Late game ADCs do about 2k raw DPS. You were tanking 2 of them in a high armor situation.

You had 11k EHP... That's about 5 seconds worth of focus survivability.

GigglesODec 8, 20181 votes

Which feels like assssssss...

I shouldn't be dying that fast for investing fully into defense.

Why even bother building defense if they can just do that to you.

ZerglingOneDec 8, 20183 votes

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Which feels like assssssss...

I shouldn't be dying that fast for investing fully into defense.

Why even bother building defense if they can just do that to you.

Because the first thing that sneezes on them blows them into a thousand tiny meat chunks.

This just looks like a game that had been heading south for a while.

Armor is a relatively strong stat before 20 minutes. You're gonna be a lot stronger at 2 complete items than they are.

Damage is definitely too high though... That's a well known thing right now.