So Veigar gets 260 base damage on his Q at max rank with a 60% AP scaling. annie gets 220 base + 80% AP. Something is obviously wrong here. Buff Veigar's Q ratio!
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ArkenStorm1 votesObviously the Q ratio is because Veigar can have so much AP, infinitely scaling.
But what if this actually happened? O.o
Lord Dusteon2 votesObviously the Q ratio is because Veigar can have so much AP, infinitely scaling.
But what if this actually happened? O.o
And Annie's Q only hits one, not twice. And has shorter range. And requires a visible, selectable target to fire (can't fire back if someone is chasing, can't fire a bit early to kill as someone exits untargetability/Zhonya's, can't try to hit stealth).
ArkenStorm1 voteswell yeah.
Marthian1 votesIf they are close enough and you are Annie, you'll just use your W which deals just as much damage (or your ult that will also give vision too)
lB2kGRlc8y2 votesAny Veigar player who valued a lane presence would take the old Q back, He now has to risk his safety to use it as a poke, and there's no guarantee it will hit. By itself, i like his new Q, but in context of his current kit its just more unreliability thrown on top of the W-E Combo that will never hit anyone with a functioning brain.
ArkenStorm1 votes.....whaaaat? He now has to risk his safety to use it as poke? how so? it has longer range AND hits 2 people, thats way safer. IDK how that's less safe. Also apparently nobody in gold has a functioning brain because I hit W+E combo most of the time.
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesYou have to leave the creep wave to line your skillshot up, helping them land there's as well. Anyone who can't escape the half second telegraphed delay of his E is pretty downsy, only valid reason to be hit is if you were stunned prior from one of Vei's allies. Getting hit by W without being stunned requires an inability to react to things that happen in quicker intervals than 1 second.
ArkenStorm1 votesI almost never leave the creep wave, since Veigar barely pushes as is, you manipulate it so the melees die first then the casters. It's pretty easy.
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesThat's putting full focus on the creeps, which is all Veigar can really do now. My previous point was that attempting to harass the enemy laner puts him in danger and in the grand scheme of things doesn't accomplish anything. Veigar's laning presence is so passive that any lane bully will annihilate him outright.
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesQ buffs are the sad excuse Riot came up with to bring Vei's winrate back up without fixing his real issues. He doesn't need more on his Q, he needs riot to complete the 30% finished rework they rushed out the second he threatened the botlane meta.
ArkenStorm1 votesdid you miss the giant kappa face?
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesNo, I knew this was a joke thread but it essentially highlights Riot's half-assed measure to "fix" veigar after they broke him. Its hard to joke about Veigar's current state when his corpse has been in the freezer for as long as it has been.
ArkenStorm1 votesI find it quite easy to joke about it, because I don't have the problems people say he has. I land E and W most of the time. Q farming is immensely easier. If you knew it was a joke thread, then why bother rebuffing the OP?
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesThat's fine, I don't have issues landing those either when my opponents are immensely stupid. The problem surfaces when you go up against somebody who didn't just have a lobotomy.
ArkenStorm1 votesguess everyone in gold has just had a lobotomy then.
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesGuess so, honestly rank means very little in the grand scheme of things. I've seen people in high diamond pull the dumbest shit consistently and then pull rank in arguments.
ArkenStorm1 votesI can see that. There are so many people that i just wonder "how on earth did you manage to win enough to get up here?" :P
Lafouboy1 votesYes. Buff the Veigar. He is not extremely powerful. His infinitely stacking two hit Q won't make him do more damage than Annie could ever dream. His W totally doesn't have a small AOE pseudo-ultimate amount of damage. His E is most certainly not a contender for the best battlefield controlling non-ultimate AOE stun in the game. His R definitely is not a specially created "DELETE" button to any semi-squishy in the late game. I am definitely not a Veigar main who wants him to get buffed so that I can stomp peoples' shit even harder than I already do.
Keep advocating for the buffs, goyims. This non-Jewish Definitely Not Veigar player commands it.
(in all seriousness, I do kinda want a bit of buffs; but only to his early game mana costs/mana regen. his extremely mana hungry early game is what makes him so hard to play, rather than anything else)
ArkenStorm1 votesThe only buffs I want are a w landing delay reduction and some sort of fun thing with his e, such as restricting vision.
