good morning riot, all yi mains would love if conqueror was reverted it had counterplay(charge time)

UrFieryDoom··2 votes·1,238 views

Highlighted comment: **Nothing, You did not actively play with old conqueror i assume? Its balanced more before but now its not that its all that bad but it just doesn't synergize with its core users anymore **

Now yasuo's are doing really bad because they cant synergize as well with it. It worked for pretty much every skirmisher/juggernaut so idk why it had to be changed to this new version that has a completely different style.

If darius is charging it by hitting minions for 4 seconds doesn't that give enough time for enemy adc's and top to get away or do you just hate Yi? He can be banned i can't see any other abuse case. It was perfectly balanced because enemies could run while you charge it, I mained using it trust me.

So if you want to make 90% of jg skirmishers/top titans/juggernauts happy then revert conqueror because it was meant for them. Now its not the same and forces them to run it down the opposition to stack it which is really noob and is a reason for many deaths with it.

stacking it while moving around to dodge stuff is more competitive and fair but making it a run it down and stack it keystone even makes it worse for juggernauts with limited mobiliy or yasuo who have to kill someone to actually stack it.

But in all goodness, plz revert it riot I need it back because it defines yi, trynd, yas, and more. Yi is a great splitpusher with old conqueror which is fine considering hes a duelist.

everything is wrong with how conqueror was changed, all of us people who actually used it don't see any reason why its too strong since its actually a 4 second in combat that you have to have. People who run into you while having it just don't understand how these keystones work.

[darius-angry]

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letsfeedtogether4 votes

yasuo is doing bad? LMAO

UrFieryDoom1 votes

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yasuo is doing bad? LMAO

Its not synergized with him anymore so he has to play extra aggressive now to get it stacked, same for yi which basically has to run it down mid to stack it on people who will burst him down. And did i mention he has no keystone while pushing alone?

Dr Dog7 votes

i REALLY want whatever your on rn, must be strong

UrFieryDoom1 votes

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i REALLY want whatever your on rn, must be strong

Nothing, You did not actively play with old conqueror i assume? Its balanced more before but now its not that its all that bad but it just doesn't synergize with its core users anymore

Dr Dog2 votes

i played yi quite a bit with old and some with the new conq same with yasuo, yasuo is just straight up broken with the new one and yi is in a fine spot

UrFieryDoom1 votes

I mean its not that he cant use it. He has to put himself in constant danger usually 1vs5 to make it stack. This conqueror is adding to the already high risk to yi but lowering his reward(half damage conqueror)

letsfeedtogether1 votes

i do not think. i think thats LT is better on him for low elo. yi is a champ that works only on low elo because hes just so easy to face ones you know how. so LT is good because you will have time to proc it

UrFieryDoom1 votes

Is hail of blades with on hit very promising? I heard about it on Yimo reddit and it is being rated really good.

UrFieryDoom1 votes

Do you think hail of blades is better now for him? I definitely think so at this time. It instantly stacks guinsoos. Edit: sent friend invite and nice name, how did you think of it? And I have a gold account that was lost but when I went on placements here I had large ping spikes and played AP yi for nastaligia and you would guess how that goes. Most placements were with afks and yea. Not good.

Dr Dog2 votes

HoB is great on yi after the buff to it but i still always preferred LT or PTA for early dueling on invades for a quick ez lead but thats just my playstyle, and the name is my favorite band actually lol

UrFieryDoom1 votes

Nice do you recommend I switch runes depending on who i face in jg? In 3 examples I face Vi, Shaco, and Xin zhao. choices are hail of blades, press the attack, and lethal so vi the burst jungler type what would you take against her? Shaco the run away and invade type jungler? Xin Zhao the dueling kind.

Knowing better for each of these makes it easier for a wide range of junglers for adapting.

Dr Dog1 votes

vi is a jungle id build more for mid game for and grab lethal for to kill her quickly with your e so she cant proc w too many times in a fight, shaco id say just pick xin for, yi cant really weal with shaco at all and for xin make sure to use your w to block most of his dmg, it outlasts his q so you can block a huge amount of his dmg with a w after her e's on you after he wastes his a you can duel him

UrFieryDoom1 votes

Yi is very veratile when it comes to runes its hard to think of the runes to use for him. But builds wise on hit wins by a long shot.

Sebastit7d1 votes

basically has to run it down mid to stack it on people who will burst him down.

Or you can run hail of blades, get guinsoos and stack conq, rageblade and all your damage in 3 autos then take over every fight?

usul12024 votes

But... New conq has buildup time, and can't be built up on minions, which gives it more counterplay.

UrFieryDoom1 votes

More counterplay is good for his enemies but its in yi's core nature to not have counterplay because he doesn't have any cc or explosive burst but he is supposed to deal extreme sustained dmg like the class is designed in. If you see a yi dash in a fight then get one person barely then die. Then why waste a pick when you can jungle zed and shadow at turret r get the kill and go to w shadow? maybe even more? Zed

usul12022 votes

No. No champ is designed around low counterplay. Yi's core nature is being a multiplicatively scaling monster that has multiple outplay buttons.

If you play him like a zed you deserve to die after 1 kill. Yi is not zed he does not have escapes. You kill everyone or you die. Learn when to join fights, but a 0 counterplay system shouldn't exist because you don't know how to play your champ.

The bad Yasuo2 votes

LMAO ok so first off you lose any and all credibility simply by being a Yi main. You no longer deserve a say in anything sorry. But jokes aside do you understand how the old conqueror worked? Or what the stats on it were? I can guarantee you don't know jax about how the old conqueror worke if you are asking for it to be reverted.

Let Me explain how the old conqueror worked. Here below are the numbers and stats for the keystone:

V8.6 - Added Precision icon Precision Keystone rune. PASSIVE: Dealing or receiving damage generates one stack every second for the next 3 seconds. After reaching 4 stacks, your next basic attack within 3 seconds against an enemy champion grants 10 − 35 (based on level) bonus Attack Damage for 3 seconds and converts 20% of your damage to champions to true damage for the duration. Dealing or receiving damage will refresh the triggering attack duration. Melee role Melee champions refresh the bonus damage duration when damaging enemy champions.

You could stack this on minions then trade and it would already be fully stacked. That's already pretty dumb. You gained 10-35 AD based on damage. Ok, that's not bad seems pretty balanced. Ready for the absolutely insane part? 20% OF YOUR DAMAGE IS CONVERTED INTO TRUE DAMAGE Do you know how ridiculous that is? 20% is a lot. The keystone alone pretty much gave the previous infinity edge passive at level 1.

Every fighter top lane took it. All other keystones in the precision tree were obsolete top. Not every champion needs to be doing true damage. Makes tanks completely irrelevant.

Why are you even complaining? Does yi not already do enough true damage with his E + itemization? I played some yi top with old conqueror and from the post game lobby and my stats against champions were usually 40%-45% true damage to champions by rushing Essence reaver, rageblade, taking conqueror and ignite top.

UrFieryDoom1 votes

I'm serious, I mained yi for 4 seasons on multiple accounts. If riot even considers this, I would be grateful! Riot would feel the same if they played Yi or skirmishers more often.

Lux Tizer1 votes

Literally no one cares what Yi mains think lmao

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