How come every time Nunu underperforms Riot adds some new overtuned mechanic to his kit?

Naalith··4 votes·444 views

This isn't an I hate Riot post, I want to get that out of here first and foremost, I love the company and love that they come to the forums to talk with us about the game a lot. I hope they can give some context or long term plan on this post because I'm so genuinely confused. I get that it feels bad to have champions severely underperforming, but virtually every time Nunu starts struggling Riot adds some insanely overtuned mechanic to his kit that then gets nerfed into the dirt, rendering him useless again. He's so unfun and unhealthy for the game, he's extremely binary and his "big plays" consist of walking up to objectives and pressing Q on them to steal them. Wow what a showstopper. It's unfun to the enemy team, it's unfun to the team he's on because late game he just melts to carries and is useless, and unless you're crazy good at Nunu it's unfun to play him too. The champion is a lost cause and needed a VGU like 3 years ago.

Don't know what I'm talking about? On PBE right now we have:

W- Blood Boil Now gives the Nunu and the target 40% increased AP... wtf. I hope you all like Nunu 80% slow fun and interactive AP top gameplay, as well as Azir and Kayle carries. Fortunately this caps at 120 level 5, 40 at level 1, but my god man. Just why? This isn't just some "oh he's struggling, lets nudge some numbers around" this is a massive update with no power being sacrificed elsewhere in his kit.

Also his Q passive Now gives base magic damage on his autos per stack of his passive (up to 5), dealing 3/5/7/9/11 +5% AP damage. So basically level 9 full tank Nunu will permanently have 55 bonus magic damage on his autos. Sounds really fun and fair to be slowed by his E and have this full tank monster who's already annoying to deal with now push lethal damage by himself.

This always happens to Nunu too. Wukong is an older champ underperforming, we also have Volibear, half the fighter class, Ivern who is newer and less horribly binary but kind of in the same niche. Nah, Nunu always gets new pieces tacked onto his kit that always turn out to be a mistake and make the jungle completely unfun for several patches as all the other junglers try desperately to stop him from just stealing everything and walking up and right clicking you in the jungle, unable to be killed with his stupid health buff.

Riot, please. Take the attention Nunu gets like 1-2 times a year for stuff added to his kit and give it to champions that are able to be resuscitated. Nunu has been tier 1 for a VGU since the concept of VGUs have even existed. I honestly think this champion is so horribly unhealthy for the game that he could've ousted Sion or Poppy for one of the first two VGUs, and everyone knows how broken those champions were. Nunu is a literal statcheck who just steals camps and slows people, or an AP champ who is super feast or famine. Please just give him the Xerath/Sion/Azir treatment, where Riot was basically like "we will keep their winrate and power level down artificially because their best cases are so incredibly unhealthy that they must stay this way for the sake of the game until they are reworked."

Now I get it, many many many more people will be happy with Swain and Irelia updates, I'm hyped as hell for Swain and hopefully a Noxus lore update as well, whereas Nunu is like the saltine cracker of League and no one cares about him but old players who have been playing him for years. I also get you can't just release whatever character, you have to take classes into account as well as region so the lore update team can do some events from time to time. Here's the thing: Frejlord doesn't have updated lore yet and Nunu is a weird ass champion, use it to your advantage PLEASE. What if Nunu is the long lost brother of the three sister Queens whose disappearance as a child caused the schism between them. You could make him a kid who was in a World Rune equivalent to an atom bomb attack, waking up to find said World Rune as well as Willump. Nunu picks it up and Willump and he instantly have an unspoken connection, finding the World Rune renders them immortal. What if he's a legend like Kled or Braum, where it's clear they are real but the mechanics are never explained (yet)? What if Willump is a Frejlordian demigod like Ornn and has taken a special liking to Nunu, even though he's a raging monster. Maybe he's just actually a normal kid who befriended a normal yeti, that's still hilarious and can lead to some great gameplay. There's so much story and thematicwise you could do with Nunu, and he's been an atrocious 4 polygon stain on the game since I started playing in season 1, and back then lots of champions were similar in degeneracy to Nunu but slowly over time they've been dwindling until only Nunu and arguably Morde is left (I think Morde is far more intact from a fun gameplay perspective though, he just has 200 bugs and needs a VGU for his pizza feet.)

I went on a little story rant there, but honestly I love the story in this game so I thought I'd throw out a few ideas. I'm sure Riot's professional writing squad, my favorite team because of how damn good their stories are, can think of something even better. The moral is continuing to give Nunu life support instead of just allowing the champion to finally die and get a rework going in the next 8-12 months artificially throws this unfun champion into all of our games, only to have him ripped out again. I'm sure Nunu mains don't like him being crazy OP and having normies play him only to be ripped away and die, I'm pretty sure all other 9 players in the game don't want Nunu there. Small scale work can keep champs like Wukong or Volibear alive until their VGUs in 2048 but giving Nunu these crazy ass buffs will do nothing but frustrate jungle mains.

This isn't meant to be a post just hating on Riot. I love the company and I've been having fun with preseason even with some of the balance issues, I've been around since season 1 and there's been far worse times of the game. I know the boards are just shitting on them right now but I hope I brought something fruitful and useful to the conversation instead of just saying screw Riot, but honestly Nunu is a champion I am passionately against ever being strong until his update. In the past Riot has said it's okay for a champion to be sort of artificially underpowered because their kit is so horrifically unfun if it's ever strong, and Nunu falls squarely into that camp. Unfortunately he is now getting his yearly new mechanics when it's just a lost cause. And yes, I know it's PBE and it's possible all these changes won't go live. I really hope none of them do, I really hope fighter tops who have been in a tough spot get it instead. I get stat changes but stop adding new mechanics to a fundamentally broken kit, it never achieves anything except causing complete frustration.

5 Comments

Eedat2 votes

If you're to make a thread, please list all the information

Blood Boil (W) [New Effect] Now additionally increases AP by 40% for both targets Max: 40/60/80/100/120 AP

When you intentionally leave out information when it's convenient to you ruin any actual discussion that could have been had

NocturnalSheild1 votes

Awww. I was thinking how fucking bad ass full AP nunu was about to be with 1600 AP

Oh well 120 AP which is like 155 with rabadons isnt anything to sneer at.

Naalith2 votes

" Fortunately this caps at 120 level 5, 40 at level 1" maybe some reading comprehension is in order. Sorry I didn't list it in pro League of Legends MLA college cited format.

Ahristocats1 votes

volibear is going to get a knock back on his E

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

Might get a knock-back on his E*

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