The Fiora shoe is on the other foot.

TheDangerousTaco··2 votes·1,052 views

Surprisingly, just a while ago everyone was complaining ( Fiora sucks ! She needs a buff ( yes I was one of them ) ) And the people who defend it were all like "No she doesn't, people need time to learn to play her " ( Even though these people never played her ).

A lil while later, unknowingly to many, riot supposedly implemented a hotfix to her. Giving her a Small ( very unnoticeable ) cdr reduction with some base stat changes. Now while I still say the fiora is unreliable atm in comparison to other champions, I find it funny how now, the only people who play her are the ones that are good at her. And now suddenly everyone is crying out foul play "Fiora too strong, You overbuffed her!"

So I am going to use the same agreement that everyone else used at first. People just don't know how to play against her, and now that the dedicated main fioras are starting to learn how to play her, people will eventually figure out a way to counter her. And then we shall see if fiora is really overpowered or not.

( Note: I still think she is fairly weak cause she can be countered by many more aggressive champs if they know how to play properly, but that's just my opinion )

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GG Noob Team1 votes

I always said fiora is going to be mega broken in the right hands, and i keep my opinion like that and ever further. Noobs complained about old fiora hasnt any counters, so yea? You know what? New fiora is even more uncounterable, or impossible to do this at all. Jax is being countered by her right now, funny isnt it? Same cames with a lot other champions that were countering her old version, now they has no start. She heals so much and deals so much damage, it is even hard to duel her with malphite rushing armour, seriously. Once she gets her hydra/botrk and trinity she is unstoppable, just like irelia.

TheDangerousTaco1 votes

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I always said fiora is going to be mega broken in the right hands, and i keep my opinion like that and ever further. Noobs complained about old fiora hasnt any counters, so yea? You know what? New fiora is even more uncounterable, or impossible to do this at all. Jax is being countered by her right now, funny isnt it? Same cames with a lot other champions that were countering her old version, now they has no start. She heals so much and deals so much damage, it is even hard to duel her with malphite rushing armour, seriously. Once she gets her hydra/botrk and trinity she is unstoppable, just like irelia.

I agree with you that fiora is broken in the right hands ( that goes for almost every champion ) . If you master something there is no way for it NOT to be good. But I think fiora has a lot of counters right now, since she is all about being a skill match up, most of her matches goes both ways.

You counter her if you play better than her, its simple as that, but if she is fed and ahead, than yea she is a real problem. But that also brings me to my point, she relies so heavily on skill and being ahead and fed, that any person who out preforms her, will shut her down completely. Is why I don't think she is too viable / overpowered.

Again yes, if a champion is fed enough.. there gonna wreck. If soraka goes 30/0 and builds 6 Infinity edges, she is gonna one shot you regardless. But as it stands I say fiora is too weak since she is so reliant on snowballing, if any champion shuts her down early game, she becomes fodder tier :/... Same problem as the old fiora really, which is why no one really played her.

InfiniX1 votes

People don't know how to play around her riposte and people will need to get used to it.

The only changes I would do if her winrate gets too high is reveal vitals to the enemies as well instead of just Fiora and revert all the CD buffs.

Marthian1 votes

Vitals ARE revealed to the enemy.

TheDangerousTaco1 votes

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Vitals ARE revealed to the enemy.

lol exactly

InfiniX1 votes

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Vitals ARE revealed to the enemy.

doesn't seem like anyone even plays around it though

Marthian1 votes

In my mmr, people do. They will hug the wall hard if it's on that side.

Ser Garland1 votes

Let's compare Fiora to Ekko. When Ekko was released he was so strong they patched him up with several nerfs. Then the player base finally knew how to play against him. But here's the thing, Ekko does similar things like Fiora, but has much more counter play in the first place.

Ekko requires three tiks on his passive to get that percent health bonus damage and speed boost. Fiora simply needs to hit one vital once. Ekko has a targeted gap closer Fiora has a gap closer skill shot with smart targeting afterwards In order to get his passive combo off, it's recommended to hit his Q for both the extend and retract, and then go in with his E. Fiora just needs to Q Ekko's combo takes up two abilities and costs around 100 mana to use. Fiora's costs 25 mana, and has two combat abilities left over for offensive, and defensive purposes. Ekko's shield and hard CC are delayed for five seconds. Fiora's damage immunity and situational stun are instant (0.75 seconds)

I realize that Ekko has more Aoe potential than Fiora and Fiora is the -grand duelist-. But that's ridiculous.

And take it from me because I'm mastery 5 Fiora since her release. She's ridiculously good right now and she's no longer feast or famine. Even if you camp her all game, she'll find a way to bounce back.

TheDangerousTaco1 votes

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Let's compare Fiora to Ekko. When Ekko was released he was so strong they patched him up with several nerfs. Then the player base finally knew how to play against him. But here's the thing, Ekko does similar things like Fiora, but has much more counter play in the first place.

Ekko requires three tiks on his passive to get that percent health bonus damage and speed boost. Fiora simply needs to hit one vital once. Ekko has a targeted gap closer Fiora has a gap closer skill shot with smart targeting afterwards In order to get his passive combo off, it's recommended to hit his Q for both the extend and retract, and then go in with his E. Fiora just needs to Q Ekko's combo takes up two abilities and costs around 100 mana to use. Fiora's costs 25 mana, and has two combat abilities left over for offensive, and defensive purposes. Ekko's shield and hard CC are delayed for five seconds. Fiora's damage immunity and situational stun are instant (0.75 seconds)

I realize that Ekko has more Aoe potential than Fiora and Fiora is the -grand duelist-. But that's ridiculous.

And take it from me because I'm mastery 5 Fiora since her release. She's ridiculously good right now and she's no longer feast or famine. Even if you camp her all game, she'll find a way to bounce back.

  • Ekko also has a instant heal with 100% ap ratio,
  • he also has a insane Gapcloser Making his Q a lot easier to use
  • his Q is on a lot shorter CD with more % scaling earlier game
  • He can actually jungle
  • He has a HARD CC
  • His CC ability Is way easier to land than fioras
  • Doesn't need a minigame to activate his passive, making his positioning a lot easier to use during teamfights.

Overall , The only thing fiora has to going for her is her % true hp damage passive... And while that alone is op, you take that away and she literally becomes a bootleg version of yasuo. Ekkos kit, or anyones kit can still function just fine without there Passive.

Its like they were so afraid of it being op, her whole kit was nerfed just to make up for it. In all honesty, you can take away her map hp % true damage ( Cause no champion needs that op shit ) and give her a much healthier kit involing parries speed buffs and better damage scaling on her abilities, and she would be x10 much better imo.

Now that I think about it. Was the entire idea of giving her, Max hp % True damage, just to make her stand out, really worth it??? Or did they add a overpowerd mechanic to simply make up for her hard to use kit?

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