Armor? MR ? Whats the point?

Ýisus·7/13/2018, 7:44:16 AM·25 votes·7,782 views

Physical Damage Champions doing 60%+ as true damage. What is the point in building any defensive items anymore? Is this what league has become? Who can build the best glass cannon build? Fun ........ hopping back on steam.

34 Comments

hhaavviikk7/13/2018, 7:17:20 PM14 votes

activate rammus W oh boy I've got nearly 400 armor, watches in horror as yi deals 1600 true damage in 2 seconds i--it's ok, I'll just ban yi, watches in horror as yasuo with conqueror and infinity deals 1k true damage i-i-flips table

heroikc7/13/2018, 3:30:19 PM5 votes

Yeah, no point in being tank if you're resistances are ignored and the enemy has so much damage (i.e. Darius, Fiora, etc.)

Malix Farwin7/13/2018, 9:50:29 PM5 votes

The thing is resistances feel like they kinda work when you first get them however, it also feels like you are trying to dig a hole while that same hole is getting filled, eventually they outscale it and quickly at that. Being able to outscale resistances used to require being pretty massively fed(10+ kills early). Now you can outscale them by being 3 up.

DNFVixen7/13/2018, 9:35:09 PM4 votes

We need Morello back.

BobaFlautist7/13/2018, 5:56:36 PM3 votes

MR is actually really useful, it just feels shitty 'cause it gives your opponents an excuse to buy one of the most efficient items in the game item 3135.

Seer of Mind7/14/2018, 7:28:31 AM2 votes

Don't forget Miss Fortune item 3147 item 3142 item 3006 item 3087 item 3094 item 3031. That passive is going to HURT.

5050BS7/13/2018, 7:52:20 AM1 votes

HP is really all that matter (and Shields)

Daddy Ants7/16/2018, 1:07:00 PM1 votes

Warning. Potential bad math here

I did the math above based on a 300 armor tank, let's see what it's like on a Mage with Zhonya's and an ADC with GA.

The following math is based on a few things

  • Yasuo has just ulted and has the % bonus armor pen active for the next 15 seconds.
  • He has item 3036 or item 3033

Level 18 Lux has 132 armor with item 3157 which is 87 base armor and 45 bonus armor from the Zhonya's

Yasuo R armor penetration removes 50% of the armor from Zhonya's so that leaves Lux with 87 base and 22.5 bonus armor so 109.5 Total Armor.

item 3036 then applies to the 109.5 armor so 109.5 x 0.35 = 35.04

So 109.5 - 35.04 = 74.46 effective armor.

74.46 out of 132 armor is roughly 56.40% of their total armor.

That means 43.60% of Lux's total armor is being ignored.


Level 18 Vayne with item 3026 has 121 armor which is 81 base armor and 40 bonus armor.

Yasuo R armor penetration removes 50% of the armor from GA so that leaves Vayne with 81 base and 20 bonus armor so 101 armor in total.

item 3036 then applies to the 101 armor so the math is 101 x 0.35 = 35.35

So 101 - 35.35 = 65.65 effective armor.

65.65 out of 121 armor is roughly 54.25% of their total armor.

That means 45.75% of Vayne's total armor is being ignored.


If the target has no items that give them armor then Yasuo gets no benefit from his ultimate armor penetration as it's bonus armor penetration.

Bonus Armor is armor gained from purchased items or buffs/effects that grant armor such as -

  • Rammus W (Defensive Ball Curl)
  • Leona W. (Eclipse)
  • Sejuani Passive (Frost Armor)
  • Braum W. (Stand behind Me) Grants Bonus Armor to both Braum and his ally if he jumps to a champion.
  • Taric W. (Bastion) Grants Bonus Armor to both Taric and the linked ally.
  • Malphite W (Brutal Strikes)
  • Poppy W. (Steadfast Presence)
  • Conditioning Rune

It's no where near 85% armor penetration as Illabethe claims.

My Waifu Vanilla7/13/2018, 6:01:33 PM1 votes

Gonna have to show me the math on that claim because as it stands that is PHYSICALLY impossible on a champion that inherently doesn't already do true damage and EVEN THEN the likes of Darius/Camille still don't reach that threshhold.

Pika Fox7/13/2018, 8:56:57 PM1 votes

1000 true damage is not +1000 damage. If theyre doing primarily true damage then most of their damage is being negated (unless theyre vayne).

If you do 1000 damage as true damage, a large portion of that would have been physical/magical and not negated.

Noor Sakata7/13/2018, 9:49:48 PM1 votes

While I agree about Armor being useless , but hey ! MR is still one of the reasons why Mages are weak atm of course unless you are facing Brand Vladimir Swain then okay you are right tbh

Illabethe7/14/2018, 4:42:14 AM1 votes

The key is..... it takes a while for True damage to become a problem. Early game, item 3031 is ineffective. If you let a game go too long... and they build crit..... yeah. It's gonna hurt. But tbh, it doesn't hurt any more than a lethality build, which for all intents and purposes can almost ELIMINATE ALL Armor. In other words, Lethality builds are still more dangerous.

That being said..... early game.... Armor is pivotal to depriving some champs from GETTING that true damage going. And, some teams like games with champs like Nasus or Yorick ..... generally don't build much armor pen or do much true damage. So armor is ultra effective there..... especially vs most Nasus builds. (And other single target auto attackers.... they generally build sheen builds rather than lethality/armor pen builds)

I will also say this: If you have a feeding team, and you're playing Pyke , you REALLY REALLY want that Armor/Resist.

I just had a Xerath int feed a Ahri , while top lost to Nasus who got like 489 Stacks out of lane and was near 700 stacks by game end.

I had no choice on Pyke by to go defensive and build something like

item 1413 item 3074 item 3075 item 3512 item 3111 item 3156 ....... just to stay alive.....

As some point in the game we managed to kill 2 of the opposing team and Nasus was split pushing....

So I just began a soaking Nasus damage cycle with him. He'd blow his kit on me, get in 1-2 auto attacks, and I would Q/E him around the map. That allowed my team about a 5 minute period in which to push the other team into a something like 9 kill chain of pushing the opponent's base while Nasus couldn't recall. If he has built a item 3033 he probably could have almost 1 shot me....... but he was Nasus so he went thornmail.

So yeah. Armor isn't a catch all stat. It can still be impactful, and if you ban the right champs, True damage is less of a threat. Ban around who can use True damage the most effectively, and then you can build armor.

Resist is ALWAYs good. Not many AP champs do true damage.

LordGeovanni7/14/2018, 4:30:22 PM1 votes

THe point of armor is that your melee range champion with delayed spells and long cooldowns has shitty ap scaling so build armor/ magic resist.