Theirs no point to em, and they hurt a lot more than they help. Norms is the place to mess around with new champions, new comps, new everything. All of which is hindered by banning phase, its not ranked, so who gives a fuck. Realistically unless you ban the same champion every game, your gonna have to face them eventually. Whats the point of intentionally crippling your ability to play against them?
The Archive13 votesIf you don't want bans, there's blind pick.
Boltonator7 votes[{quoted}](name=The Archive,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-01T02:46:35.887+0000)
If you don't want bans, there's blind pick.
This.
Some people don’t want to play ranked yet still want to be able to control who they truly don’t want to face. Normal Draft is the best of both worlds, really, minus the permanent headaches that come with ranked.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Archive,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-01T02:46:35.887+0000)
If you don't want bans, there's blind pick.
I have no plans to engage in that shout fest. 80% are one-tricks, mid or feed types.
Warlord Rhinark3 votesWell it's your choice then. Jump into that shoutfest, or live with the fact that Draft has bans.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-01T06:33:50.727+0000)
Well it's your choice then. Jump into that shoutfest, or live with the fact that Draft has bans.
That's like saying day one Ekko was perfectly balanced, believe it or not but patchs exist for more than just screwing up jungle. So "living" with it is just stupid.
Who Fed Ru1 votesIf the majority disagrees with you, you have to.
Riot sure won't make a change like that (that doesn't even make sense at all) for 1% of the playerbase.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T01:06:27.003+0000)
If the majority disagrees with you, you have to.
Riot sure won't make a change like that (that doesn't even make sense at all) for 1% of the playerbase.
Riot hasn't done much to uphold your "make sense" mentality so I don't understand how you have so much faith. Secondly 1% has made changes before, in fact one person has made a noticeable change. Overwatch and Tracer for example.
Who Fed Ru1 votesDo you really believe that the majority of the community would like that there is no way to play normals without having to play against the current OP champs?
Especially with Riots current balancing policy of just forcing champs into the META for a patch by giving them buffs where everyone with a brain can already see that these will make them broken, just to keep this game interesting instead of fixing the fucking main issues. But that's besides the point.
For this patch it will be 
, and I don't have the least intention of playing against that shit one more time in the next 2 weeks, normals or not.
And as long as Riot has this balancing policy, bans are needed if you want to play this game at all.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T01:23:02.216+0000)
Do you really believe that the majority of the community would like that there is no way to play normals without having to play against the current OP champs?
Especially with Riots current balancing policy of just forcing champs into the META for a patch by giving them buffs where everyone with a brain can already see that these will make them broken, just to keep this game interesting instead of fixing the fucking main issues. But that's besides the point.
For this patch it will be
I get it, but unless your banning him outright in ranked it doesn't mater. While I'm mostly speaking from a ranked perspective from that perspective banning is a lost cause. If its broken someone bans it..... usually. But if it isn't then what, your gonna have to play against it. Wouldn't it not be better to have played against it before? Do you really want you allies to have never played against it, what if their a bug? How do you even find bugs if not for playing them. What about reworks and new champions, do you want to figure them out first, our just go into it blind with a rough understanding. Again this is from a ranked perspective. If all you do is play unranked then that holds less ground. but if that's the case you'd still want a challenge out of it otherwise you'd be playing cookie clicker. You'd also want to that champion to be nerfed if they are too strong no one gets to play them so how is it going to be known unless it gets played? And what are you gonna do IF it does? Wish you banned them instead? Your still gonna have to play the game. Lastly, the number of broken champions outweighs the number of bans your team possess. If you want just an easier game I'd suggest bots.
Who Fed Ru1 votesThat's right, I want a challenge. But not everything that's hard is a fair challenge. Playing against better players on balanced champions is a challenge. Hoping that the enemy player has significantly less skill than you so you can even beat them on a 54% wr champion is not a challenge, that's just bullshit. That's called unfair, lame, and makes me question why I'm even playing the game in the current state.
And I don't want to get screwed over in 200 normals only to be prepared if the rare case happens for that shit to slip through without me being able to dodge.
Usually when players with even skills are put against each other, like what matchmaking should do in the first place, the one with the more broken champion has the advantage. What sense would it make to force myself into some shitty normals against ? I know his kit, I know his strengths, I know his weaknesses. And as it is now, 100% healing from ult is just something that is bullshit. I don't need to play normals the whole patch against him to realize that. I know how to play against the majority of the champions. But what do you do if you lose simply by being out-stat'ed? Play it better? Sure, that's always a possibility, but not every player can magically just play so far better that they can beat people on broken champions when they play on what's supposed their skill level. If one of these champions come through, you rely on that player being incompetent, and not if you got shit on by that champion for 100 games already.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T14:38:13.867+0000)
That's right, I want a challenge. But not everything that's hard is a fair challenge. Playing against better players on balanced champions is a challenge.
Fair isn't a challenge. That's why its called fair.
That's called unfair, lame, and makes me question why I'm even playing the game in the current state.
Happens all the time, it's league, balance team's boosted. Most 1v1 match ups aren't very "fair".
Usually when players with even skills are put against each other, like what matchmaking should do in the first place, the one with the more broken champion has the advantage. What sense would it make to force myself into some shitty normals against
Then you more than welcome to counter pick, why are you picking into bad match ups? If your that confident then you cannot really complain if its you choice to play into a bad pick. Also so match ups are just bad and all you can do is try a farm, 's healing is bad, but as a teamfighter he's weak. And so so long as your team donesn't get so farm behind you can win. And as the game gets later and later you can gear your build specifically do fight him. Your not gonna win every 1v1, some have higher stats, some better suited kits, it's a fact that some are stronger than others irregardless of skill. In fact, in a match up whereas the skill between two are equal, you often see the stronger champion win because of their kit, not their skill. You can do everything right and still lose, you can mess up a lot and still win.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesWell guess fucking what. Situations like day one Ekko is EXACTLY why we have bans.
I'm sorry, but you just played yourself.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=00000001000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-04T06:10:23.828+0000)
Well guess fucking what. Situations like day one Ekko is EXACTLY why we have bans.
I'm sorry, but you just played yourself.
Well then, lets talk about this entirely new topic, day one release champions are often unbalanced. OK, what's your point? Is it that bans exist to block out these champions? Sure, but I already said unless you perma-ban them you'll have to fight eventually. So sorry, your making a point that I already dismissed. Never mind playing yourself, you just running around in a loop.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesYeah but by the time you have to fight them, they will (hopefully) have been fixed. Until they've been fixed, you can ban them.
That's what people are doing right now. Kai'sa is horrific to face currently and people are banning her as a result. She actually has the single highest ban rate in the game (currently), above even weeb-trash Yasuo by more than three percent. Why do you think people are banning her? Because she's just like day one Ekko. They're waiting for her to be fixed.
I think it's pretty simple.
This is where I got my statistics:
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend
Beerstein3 votesI have friends without enough champs for draft and lemme tell you, no banning SUCKS unless you like 5v5 mirror matches of the same champs every game.
#balancingisfine #nothingtoseehere
adjoth1 votesI have friends without enough champs for draft and lemme tell you, no banning SUCKS unless you like 5v5 mirror matches of the same champs every game.
#balancingisfine #nothingtoseehere
I see that reading is apparently beneath you.
##whyAreYouHere
Beerstein2 votesI see that reading is apparently beneath you.
##whyAreYouHere
"Theirs" -> "There's" writing is beneath you I guess.
#blindpickexists #youcanbannoone
adjoth1 votes"Theirs" -> "There's" writing is beneath you I guess.
#blindpickexists #youcanbannoone
I think you're trying to be clever, but doing poorly. I get it and applaud your attempt, but it doesn't help your point if you completely ignore the subject. And yes, for the record i think correct grammar and punctuation means nothing so long as the point is understood. And if you really want to go their you'd find you own comment lacking as well, hence, clever, but poorly executed. Not bad never the less, made me laugh.
Eedat4 votesTheirs no point to em
Theirs no point
Theirs
Before trying to call others stupid, please make sure you dont make 2nd grade grammar mistakes xD
your gonna have to face them eventually.
your gonna have to
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xD
adjoth1 votesBefore trying to call others stupid, please make sure you dont make 2nd grade grammar mistakes xD
xD
I see you've clearly started going on the defensive now that you see your at a disadvantage. My grammar might be hastily typed even poor, but you're still wrong.
Eedat1 votesGoing on the defensive? Check again. I'm not the person you were originally responding too LOL. I see your observation skills are on par with your grammar skills xD
adjoth1 votesGoing on the defensive? Check again. I'm not the person you were originally responding too LOL. I see your observation skills are on par with your grammar skills xD
Before trying to call others stupid, please make sure you dont make 2nd grade grammar mistakes xD
xD
I really hope you cannot reproduce. I fear for humanity.
RengClaw3 votesthere is blind pick dude just go to blind where all the yasuos roam
Pandemic Punch2 votesNormal Draft is good practice for people wanting to go into ranked. I think Riot should just replace Blind Pick with Team Builder.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesI disagree. Draft Pick exists SOLELY for bans and counter picking to actually be a thing.
If you're butthurt over this fact, play Blind Pick.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-01T06:36:26.984+0000)
I disagree. Draft Pick exists SOLELY for bans and counter picking to actually be a thing.
If you're butthurt over this fact, play Blind Pick.
And Im stating their is no point in bans in **NORMALs **. It's counter intuitive when their's 100+ champions that you will have to face eventually, so why cripple yourself. And counter picking cannot be a thing if you ban out counters so your point is making a complete 180 in the same sentence.
P.S. Blind Pick is butthurt, thats why almost no one likes it outside of new champions release.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesChampions have more than ONE counter, you know? I only get access to one ban and simply saying "duh you can just ban all your counters" is simply wrong.
adjoth1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=844u3ElB,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-04T06:18:01.545+0000)
You're more than welcome to actually read the post first before you getting your panties in a wad.
Worst Kench NA1 votesI enjoy the less stressful normal queue, but I'd still like to never see Lulu in any of my games ever again. There's blind pick if you'd rather not play with a ban phase.
ModPeriscope1 votesThere is an option for you to not ban anyone.
Additionally, you can make a custom game without bans, or join a premade, then decide to not ban anyone.